133 replies to this topic

[Y E O N N E]

I wouldn't put much stock in anything "confirmed" by String Theorists, since string theory has not been put through a stringent enough battery of tests to qualify as a scientific theory in the same sense of, say, the theory of relativity.

[Mystere]

Yeonne Greene, on 19 March 2017 - 07:12 PM, said:

I don't think the hills are the wisest place to be running. Didn't you hear that banjo music?

Not all hills are created equal.

[RestosIII]

Kin3ticX, on 19 March 2017 - 07:30 PM, said:

Trump is playing 11D Chess against opponents on a Connect Four level. Whenever it looks like Trump takes the bait you have to actually do a double take and wonder if its intentional..if there is a bigger finish. He most likely leaked his own tax return and trolled the hell out of MSNBC. He did the same thing with his John Miller alias LOL.

Wait and see what happens when they drop the bomb on the wiretap story. It will be glorious.

11D was confirmed by String Theorists btw

Oi, mods, remember how politics usually gets threads locked? Please, for the love of god, hurry up.

Edit: Switched out gifs due to remembering the semi-draconian profanity censorship here.

Edited by RestosIII, 19 March 2017 - 07:45 PM.

[Kin3ticX]

Yeonne Greene, on 19 March 2017 - 07:35 PM, said:

I wouldn't put much stock in anything "confirmed" by String Theorists, since string theory has not been put through a stringent enough battery of tests to qualify as a scientific theory in the same sense of, say, the theory of relativity.

Well, I am not going to do any fighting for String Theory as I am more in the Neil deGrasse Tyson and Lawrence Krauss camp.

String theorist are really cheap to fund though.. all they need is an office, maybe a chalkboard and a laptop computer to write papers.

But, this is what happens when you discover 22nd century physics in the 20th century..or so I heard said once by a scientist.

However, according to leading theorists such as Suskind (Co creator of the theory and creator of the Holographic Principle and others), 11D appears to be what holds up well in their mathematics

Edited by Kin3ticX, 19 March 2017 - 07:49 PM.

[Pyed]

Michael Kail, on 19 March 2017 - 07:02 PM, said:

That drink is a strong one but the sarcasm is weak. Full respect for the joke, but you're exaggerating the real position that I and others are taking. Please follow the rules, or PGI will follow the policy.

No one is likely to ban you [or even complain] about you mentioning a Black Mexican. But that's not what the OP was talking about. It isn't even close.

Really. You're *sure* nobody would overreact if, for instance, I said "Black Mexicans aren't as bad as you might think"?

[The6thMessenger]

Dex Spero, on 19 March 2017 - 03:56 PM, said:

Several times this weekend I've had enemies type homophobic and homosexual-related insults over chat. I've also heard two racial comments over voip during my time playing MWO. I reported all these people for chat abuse and voip abuse, and will report any comment that sounds racist or discriminatory.

I honestly hope PGI bans these players from the game. It is, after all, 2017. Still thinking its acceptable or funny to call someone ''f*****' or to use 'gay' as a suitable synonym for 'inadequate' or 'disappointing' is ridiculous. We need to evolve past this kind of ''I was just making a joke so its okay to say these things'' mentality. People who insist on using these terms are (at minimum) 20 years behind the times.

What? if it's otherwise, like the Dark Ages, you'd find witch burning okay? Sincerely, **** that "it's 2016" or "it's 2017" argument.



Abusive Swearing? No, i disapprove of and avoid that -- not because i'm virtuous or a paragon of goodness. It's just that I don't get a ***** shaming people, I have better use of my time.

But simply using words, to convey expression like "Twilight's ******* gay", i'm not going to cease using words, just to spare sensitive people's feeling. When i say "****", it could mean different things like if i said "******* badass", it's not like i am literally having sexual congress with whatever "badass" is, it's used to intensify "badass". The part that words like that are taboo is why exactly they are perfect to convey intense emotion or distaste.

This gentrification of words is literally ******* gay.

Dex Spero, on 19 March 2017 - 03:56 PM, said:

Thanks for reading! I look forward to playing with any and all respectful players, regardless of age, self-identified gender, sexual orientation, nationality, religion, culture, etc.

We can't shelter them forever, the world is ******* filled of ******* *** ******* hole. Sometimes you just have to mute, block, and even better; grow some thick ******* skin. Humanity, though known for it's ability to shape it's surrounding to it's advantage, we ourselves can change.

[DAYLEET]

Cabusha, on 19 March 2017 - 04:37 PM, said:

Last night an individual opened up with, "listen all you (the N word)". I promptly muted him and reported him.

Alternatively, you could have pretended you were part of a badass outfit made of nothing but black dudes with a 12inch {LT-MOB-25}. but i guess muting is fine too.

[Skanderborg]

I play a lot of games , I can say with confidence that MWO has the most mature players out all of them.

[Michael Kail]

RAM, on 19 March 2017 - 07:28 PM, said:

No it is actually entirely an artificial construct. Different languages, religions and cultures have different values.


RAM>
ELH

Hardly a relevant point. PGI is clear about what constitutes hate speech or vulgar language. It is prohibited regardless of any attempts to claim cultural ambiguity. It doesn't matter if you're German or Irish or Arabian, if you can communicate with others, you can use it in a civil manner.

We're also not talking about accidentally offending others. We are in no danger of being overrun by oversensitive people. We are clealy in danger of being overrun by callous people or those too ignorant to understand what topics are inappropriate and which words shouldn't be used in front of children.

PGI is not a government. They have the right to censor people who use their services.

[Michael Kail]

Pyed, on 19 March 2017 - 07:54 PM, said:

Really. You're *sure* nobody would overreact if, for instance, I said "Black Mexicans aren't as bad as you might think"?

You're going out of your way to demonstrate how a harmless comment could be taken as inappropriate out of context. Maybe it could be misconstrued, but not for long. However, intentionally saying things like that will still get you labeled as a troll. Other trolls will pat you on the back, but a troll nonetheless.

[Michael Kail]

Skanderborg, on 19 March 2017 - 08:40 PM, said:

I play a lot of games , I can say with confidence that MWO has the most mature players out all of them.

True. You are right. No sarcasm here in the least. The OP was giving a friendly reminder to hopefully keep the speaking environment appropriate for all ages likely to be logged on and listening before some oversensitive parent hears the f-bomb with an insult or threat directed at his 12 year old girl.

I'd go ballistic if someone threatened my child that way. Of course, I'd come to my senses before hiring an attorney or trying to track down the trolling slimeball myself. But can you say that everyone would act reasonably? Not likely. It wouldn't bode well for this game.

Follow the rules and we get to play more.

[RestosIII]

Michael Kail, on 19 March 2017 - 09:23 PM, said:

Hardly a relevant point. PGI is clear about what constitutes hate speech or vulgar language. It is prohibited regardless of any attempts to claim cultural ambiguity. It doesn't matter if you're German or Irish or Arabian, if you can communicate with others, you can use it in a civil manner.

We're also not talking about accidentally offending others. We are in no danger of being overrun by oversensitive people. We are clealy in danger of being overrun by callous people or those too ignorant to understand what topics are inappropriate and which words shouldn't be used in front of children.

PGI is not a government. They have the right to censor people who use their services.

Basically, you get that people will curse, since of course they will, it's the internet, but don't appreciate being told 3 matches in a row to perform in-detail sexual acts by the same person? By all that is meme-tastic, stop being a snowflake. /So

I'm probably a bit too vulgar a lot of the time myself, but I completely understand, from experience, how toxic it can get when people decide to just act like massive tools. Just keep on reportin', mutin', and hopin' for the best. OP making a thread about it just makes him and anyone defending him a target. Again, I know from experience. :/

[Michael Kail]

RestosIII, on 19 March 2017 - 09:34 PM, said:

Basically, you get that people will curse, since of course they will, it's the internet, but don't appreciate being told 3 matches in a row to perform in-detail sexual acts by the same person? By all that is meme-tastic, stop being a snowflake. /So

I'm probably a bit too vulgar a lot of the time myself, but I completely understand, from experience, how toxic it can get when people decide to just act like massive tools. Just keep on reportin', mutin', and hopin' for the best. OP making a thread about it just makes him and anyone defending him a target. Again, I know from experience. :/

Probably the best sensible advice so far. I could have taken it without being called a snowflake though. Don't worry, for I shall not report you.

That was a joke. All except the part about good advice. It's what I do already. A slip up curse word or insult... I forget it. A torrent of f-bombs gets reported. So does inappropriate sexual subjects that get pervasive. Edgy is not an issue. Some people do not understand boundaries.

And I do it not to protect my own sensibilities, but to make the social environment a tad bit more child-friendly. It would be no different if I were in a restaurant and heard a loud-mouthed group blaring about porn and vulgar language when children are able to hear. I'd ask the management to do something about it quickly before I started a confrontation.

[Edit for spelling]

Edited by Michael Kail, 19 March 2017 - 09:58 PM.

[RestosIII]

Michael Kail, on 19 March 2017 - 09:57 PM, said:

Probably the best sensible advice so far. I could have taken it without being called a snowflake though. Don't worry, for I shall not report you.

That was a joke. All except the part about good advice. It's what I do already. A slip up curse word or insult... I forget it. A torrent of f-bombs gets reported. So does inappropriate sexual subjects that get pervasive. Edgy is not an issue. Some people do not understand boundaries.

And I do it not to protect my own sensibilities, but to make the social environment a tad bit more child-friendly. It would be no different if I were in a restaurant and heard a loud-mouthed group blaring about porn and vulgar language when children are able to hear. I'd ask the management to do something about it quickly before I started a confrontation.

[Edit for spelling]

This is what I get for posting around 1 AM. My /sarcasm getting autocorrected to /so.

[Elizander]

Let them say whatever and just mute anything you dislike. That's what I like about Gab.ai over Twitter who just bans anyone for saying anything wrong against the ruling elite. :3

[The6thMessenger]

Elizander, on 19 March 2017 - 10:21 PM, said:

Let them say whatever and just mute anything you dislike. That's what I like about Gab.ai over Twitter who just bans anyone for saying anything wrong against the ruling elite. :3

Or Steve Shives.

[RAM]

Michael Kail, on 19 March 2017 - 09:23 PM, said:

Hardly a relevant point. PGI is clear about what constitutes hate speech or vulgar language. It is prohibited regardless of any attempts to claim cultural ambiguity. It doesn't matter if you're German or Irish or Arabian, if you can communicate with others, you can use it in a civil manner.

We're also not talking about accidentally offending others. We are in no danger of being overrun by oversensitive people. We are clealy in danger of being overrun by callous people or those too ignorant to understand what topics are inappropriate and which words shouldn't be used in front of children.

PGI is not a government. They have the right to censor people who use their services.

The fact that your response so misses the mark are proof of its relevance. My point in initial reply to yours (as quoted) has nothing to do with PGI.

What is classified as "derogatory and incendiary hate speech" and "vulgar language" is completely subjective and varies widely.


RAM
ELH

[The Unstoppable Puggernaut]

Well, I am glad I am recording the matches. Let the muppets say what they want. I'll just happily forward it to PGI to review.

Luckily I haven't had anyone chatting rubbish for quite some time. Actually it's rather decent for the times I play, and that's one of the best things I love about this game. There's some great characters and some fun people. Even on a lost people are good, decent and respectful.

I get that there'll always be frustration at times and I ignore comments made at that time but if someones gonna be outright rude, they'll get what they deserve. I've put some people in their place and I'll be happy to pipe up if needs be. I haven't come across any homophobic or racists comments yet. Must be time specific as I didn't think this game appealed to kids, seeing that you actually require brain power to play it properly.

[Shiroi Tsuki]

Not that sexist/homophobic/racist comments bother me, but being part of the minority, all I can honestly say to OP is Thank you

[Dark Wooki33 IIC]

Be nice to others, they may repay it. Basic in all communication/life.

Let us take the use of the n-word for example.
In eastern/central europe it is fairly common in youthspeak, without any bad intentions (but better dont call your eastern friends gypsies )
The reason for this is rap music and murican cultural dominance, parts of the lower and middle class here are really fond of it and try to mimic what they see in your medias(movies and music mainly). If western media industry would produce more non vulgar content maybe everything would improve in the end.(highly unlikely)

This vulgar media stuff we consume is probably although the main reason for non native speakers to swear and curse more in english then in their respective language.

Sadly some people never grown up and want safe spaces all over the place and therefore poison forums and real life.
If one connects with people of all kinds of beliefs and heritage and then only want to allow his own view on the world as the only correct one, then this is his or her problem.
Even the distinction of language in good and bad, is utterly stupid. Everything is about the ******* context.

On the other hand, it is a lost cause to talk people into reasons.

So use the report as often as you can. Everything which could be uncorrect should be cleansed.
Start cleansing now! (And if you do recordings please make some funny vids out of them.)