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[Deathlike]

Bud Crue, on 24 March 2017 - 03:26 PM, said:

Oooh! It's a marketing ploy? Whew. Here I just figured it was a list of the best, most competitive mechs in PGI's mind, so I figured I better avoid them since if they really are the most competitive they are about to get hit with the nerf bat.
But since that isn't the case, we can all just enjoy a discount on these totally average in every way mechs. Yay!

It's not really a marketing ploy necessarily.

Outside of the 85-tonners (which you'll probably not see a Stalker unless it's DivE or something), the others are more or less comp-meta mechs.

I guess I have no excuse to avoid buying a KDK-3.

Edited by Deathlike, 24 March 2017 - 03:49 PM.

[BanditB17]

As one of the MRBC administrators I worked with PGI to put on a sale to compliment the upcoming MRBC season in addition to benefiting other 3rd party comp leagues. The list of mechs were not intended to be all encompassing, instead providing discounts on SOME mechs that frequently see play in comp. This isn't meant to be a metamechs list. Stalker and Warhawk are both underperforming at the moment compared to their peers but the MRBC ruleset for season 9 specifically calls for an 85 tonner in drop 3. It didn't feel right to only put a sale on one or two of the 4 options.

A huge thanks to PGI for working with me to benefit the league and its competitors. Your continued and growing support is much appreciated.

Edited by BanditB17, 24 March 2017 - 03:56 PM.

[Bud Crue]

Deathlike, on 24 March 2017 - 03:48 PM, said:

It's not really a marketing ploy necessarily.

Outside of the 85-tonners (which you'll probably not see a Stalker unless it's DivE or something), the others are more or less comp-meta mechs.

I guess I have no excuse to avoid buying a KDK-3.

And that, was my overly snide point. Head balance dev has indeed over the years spoken of how all mech are equally competitive. All mechs are to have a roll and be equivalent regardless of that role.

An officially sanctioned PGI sales event that recognizes that there are indeed "competitive" mechs...mechs that are in fact better than others for the purpose of shooting and killing other mechs either in game or in MRBC...is sort of in conflict (at least to my mind) of his equally official line that there "data" driven balance efforts have resulted in the system wherein he and Russ have stated that all mechs are equal. So which is it?

Some mechs are better (a fact we the players all know) or do they really believe their oft cited "data" as really showing that they have balanced mechs? It sure aint both.

But do consider my fellow players, if PGI is -by identifying these mechs- in fact acknowledging that certain mechs are in fact better than others, what do you think they will do with that data?

Enjoy your purchases.

Illuminati Altas demands a cbill sacrifice indeed.

[Dresari Iain]

"he and Russ have stated that all mechs are equal." LMAO
Since they're identical, please let them explain the price differences.

Edited by Dresari Iain, 24 March 2017 - 04:08 PM.

[Deathlike]

Bud Crue, on 24 March 2017 - 04:01 PM, said:

And that, was my overly snide point. Head balance dev has indeed over the years spoken of how all mech are equally competitive. All mechs are to have a roll and be equivalent regardless of that role.

An officially sanctioned PGI sales event that recognizes that there are indeed "competitive" mechs...mechs that are in fact better than others for the purpose of shooting and killing other mechs either in game or in MRBC...is sort of in conflict (at least to my mind) of his equally official line that there "data" driven balance efforts have resulted in the system wherein he and Russ have stated that all mechs are equal. So which is it?

Some mechs are better (a fact we the players all know) or do they really believe their oft cited "data" as really showing that they have balanced mechs? It sure aint both.

But do consider my fellow players, if PGI is -by identifying these mechs- in fact acknowledging that certain mechs are in fact better than others, what do you think they will do with that data?

Enjoy your purchases.

Illuminati Altas demands a cbill sacrifice indeed.

I think the actual case is PGI actually being told what to sell/offer based on the most commonly used mechs (with a special case of the 85-tonners) in one league.

It's not proof or an indictment that PGI knows what the meta/comp mechs are.

Edited by Deathlike, 24 March 2017 - 04:11 PM.

[Rick Windwalker]

Got all mechs on my two accounts and all mastered...

Better gimme interesting maps, exciting KI contend, deeper FW strategies and more Battletech-stuff from the books.

Edited by Rick Windwalker, 24 March 2017 - 04:28 PM.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Time to pick up some Spiders and more BattleMasters

[DESTRUKTROTRON]

lol I just bought a timberwolf yesterday.

[Mikayshen]

DESTRUKTROTRON, on 24 March 2017 - 07:24 PM, said:

lol I just bought a timberwolf yesterday.

contact customer service and you'll probably get a refund for the difference.

[Steve Pryde]

Bought my third Night Gyr and thinking about getting a second Kodiak-3. No need for a Huntsman when I already have Hunchback IICs+Stormcrows+Shadow Cats.

[Kuaron]

How much better is a Battlemaster if one already has some Stalkers?
Same question for Night Gyr over Timber.

[Liveish]

Bud Crue, on 24 March 2017 - 03:14 PM, said:

I'm so confused. If Paul says all mechs are equally competitive, how can only certain mechs be "competitive" for purposes of this sale?

So very, very confused.

Better nerf some more mechs so I get a better understanding of the REALLY competitive ones.

Well this might be hard for you to understand, but this sale is to help bring people wanting to play competitive leagues a fast route.
Mechs (builds) that work in 4v4, 8v8 in a private lobby don't always work in solo and QP.

Its hard to nerf mechs with good hardpoints, so they are safe to buy.



The words you are looking for when it comes to a REAL sale is thank you...........

Kuaron, on 24 March 2017 - 08:02 PM, said:

How much better is a Battlemaster if one already has some Stalkers?
Same question for Night Gyr over Timber.

Battlemaster has quirks, Night gyr can pop better ( all depends on what builds you want to run )

Edited by live1991, 24 March 2017 - 09:54 PM.

[PraetorGix]

Lolcust and Knight of color? no?

[FireStoat]

PGI -

Thank you for the event, the free goodies and mech that came with it, and thanks for this sale. It's greatly appreciated. I sincerely hope some of the newer players are able to jump on these deals.

DESTRUKTROTRON, on 24 March 2017 - 07:24 PM, said:

lol I just bought a timberwolf yesterday.

I did too. Well, 2 days back. In theory we could write an Email to support begging for a discount but I can't quite do it. I already scored the free Banshee, MC, Cbills, and 3 days of Premium time that I abused for as many hours as I could. Over the discount cost of one mech, I'm kinda really okay with it as it is.

Edited by FireStoat, 24 March 2017 - 11:26 PM.

[Marius Evander]

Grus, on 24 March 2017 - 02:33 PM, said:

how many wepons and upgrades are you getting next patch? ... yeah...

"next patch" rolling on floor dying of laughter.

InnerSphereNews, on 24 March 2017 - 12:06 PM, said:

Endts: March 28th 10 PM PST ( 5 PM UTC)

35% off the MC and C-Bill price of select Mechs for the comp Scene!

Select Mechs Include!

Marauder IIC,

End's 9 Days before it becomes available for cbills. I cried.

I WISH i could make a cbill sacrifice to illuminati atlas for some MAD-IIC's

Edited by Cadoazreal, 25 March 2017 - 12:22 AM.

[sub2000]

may i ask why almost all IS heroes are excluded from the sale?

[Marius Evander]

sub2000, on 25 March 2017 - 02:53 AM, said:

may i ask why almost all IS heroes are excluded from the sale?

Stalker griffin locust battlemaster and spider hero's are there...... grasshopper is not because its not in the game yet its still being made ?

Thats all the IS mechs that are in this sale....

[Bud Crue]

live1991, on 24 March 2017 - 09:49 PM, said:

Well this might be hard for you to understand, but this sale is to help bring people wanting to play competitive leagues a fast route.
Mechs (builds) that work in 4v4, 8v8 in a private lobby don't always work in solo and QP.

Its hard to nerf mechs with good hardpoints, so they are safe to buy.



The words you are looking for when it comes to a REAL sale is thank you...........



Battlemaster has quirks, Night gyr can pop better ( all depends on what builds you want to run )

"Thank you?" Thank you for making mechs that are already the most predominant in the game, more likely to be predominant? Thank you after we just had a PTS on a new skills tree where one of the core stated goals was to increase mech diversity and builds? No I don;t think I will say thank you.

I know I should be used to PGI working against their own stated goals, but this one just strikes me as blatant since there are several in play. I find it amusing that we all know some mechs are better than others. We have competitive leagues with competitive players that prove it, everyday. PGI even had an event where some of these mechs were demonstrated as being the truly superior mechs that they are. There is a reason that these mechs are the most common in CW and in everyday play.

Yet for four years PGI's official stance has been that such mechs do not exist. That's why we have quirks, etc. which -according to them- provides balance to the extant that "all mechs down to the variant level be provided with a roll and all mechs regardless of their roll are of equivalent value." That paraphrase comes from the first PTS and directly from the balance overlord.

Returning to the issue at hand. For the last two years mechs have been quirked, nerfed and nerfed again for that so-called balance. Some of the worst mechs in this game have been nerfed -repeatedly- because according to PGI the data supports such nerfs. Now here we are, a sale where these same folks have for the first time acknowledged, even labeled, numerous mechs as being competitive verses others that are implicitly not. Balanced?

Go ahead, buy your MRBC mechs, enjoy them. When they are nerfed just in time for the finals because the "data" shows that they are "performing above their internally targeted values" just be ready for it. History around here suggests no other outcome. Or alternatively, enjoy your competitive mechs, because I guess we didn't have enough of the top tier mechs dominating at all levels of play already? Good luck that diversity goal PGI.

[Thorqemada]

I am the owner off a competitive stylish Urbie very soon

Good god, Paysafecard has become such a bureaucratic **** - you cant buy things above 30 Euros with more than one Code (to prevent criminal abuse ROFLLOL)....thats making me a happy customer - happy to look for other payment methods!!!

**** You Bureaucrazy!!!

[B0oN]

Spoiler

Bud Crue, on 25 March 2017 - 04:06 AM, said:

"Thank you?" Thank you for making mechs that are already the most predominant in the game, more likely to be predominant? Thank you after we just had a PTS on a new skills tree where one of the core stated goals was to increase mech diversity and builds? No I don;t think I will say thank you.

I know I should be used to PGI working against their own stated goals, but this one just strikes me as blatant since there are several in play. I find it amusing that we all know some mechs are better than others. We have competitive leagues with competitive players that prove it, everyday. PGI even had an event where some of these mechs were demonstrated as being the truly superior mechs that they are. There is a reason that these mechs are the most common in CW and in everyday play.

Yet for four years PGI's official stance has been that such mechs do not exist. That's why we have quirks, etc. which -according to them- provides balance to the extant that "all mechs down to the variant level be provided with a roll and all mechs regardless of their roll are of equivalent value." That paraphrase comes from the first PTS and directly from the balance overlord.

Returning to the issue at hand. For the last two years mechs have been quirked, nerfed and nerfed again for that so-called balance. Some of the worst mechs in this game have been nerfed -repeatedly- because according to PGI the data supports such nerfs. Now here we are, a sale where these same folks have for the first time acknowledged, even labeled, numerous mechs as being competitive verses others that are implicitly not. Balanced?

Go ahead, buy your MRBC mechs, enjoy them. When they are nerfed just in time for the finals because the "data" shows that they are "performing above their internally targeted values" just be ready for it. History around here suggests no other outcome. Or alternatively, enjoy your competitive mechs, because I guess we didn't have enough of the top tier mechs dominating at all levels of play already? Good luck that diversity goal PGI.

<3 you Bud, SO ON POINT .