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[Mechteric]

Alex Morgaine, on 27 March 2017 - 04:38 AM, said:

Essentially they got clan Blazers... Why didnt the IS get its binary laser at least...

Because IS gets Light Gauss, Heavy Gauss, Rotary AC, MRM, Rocket Launcher, Light PPC, Heavy PPC, Snub Nose PPC...


The clan list of additions is already much shorter, so there's no excuse for complaints.

[Bishop Steiner]

Gimpy117, on 26 March 2017 - 07:00 PM, said:

wait what...one ton 10 damage?

i'm concerned.

when can we get 1 ton 10 damage auto cannons?

When it also has 7 heat and bad accuracy?

[Bishop Steiner]

FupDup, on 26 March 2017 - 06:55 PM, said:

I'd just bump the heat up to 8-9 and set Ghost Heat to 3.

Heavy Lasers should ideally be very strong in low numbers so that mechs with low hardpoint counts can pack enough punch to be worth using, but the high heat makes them a bad idea to boat on mechs with plentiful hardpoints.

Yeah, they need to be hot as the devil's taint, but do their damage quick. If PGI does the usual "derp derp derp, let it do it's dmg over...hmmm 2 seconds?" crap, they will be worthless. Make them blazing hot, slower cycling, and if need be, knock a little range off.

4 GH for Smalls, 3 for Mediums and 1 for Large? (I keep juggling 1 or 2.... but dman 2 HLL is a lot of potential pain, even with the heat.... ) And a steep GH multiplier, to boot.

I wonder...is PGI going to give em a little bit og the MG CoF, also, to emulate their inherent inaccuracy?

CapperDeluxe, on 27 March 2017 - 05:18 AM, said:

Because IS gets Light Gauss, Heavy Gauss, Rotary AC, MRM, Rocket Launcher, Light PPC, Heavy PPC, Snub Nose PPC...


The clan list of additions is already much shorter, so there's no excuse for complaints.

Yes and no. The IS List of "Parity Tech" makes up most of what the IS got... and let's be honest... the IS Parity Tech is still not on par with the Clam versions. I'm fine with the IS not getting Blazers, etc, but it's not like the Clams are getting shortchanged, no matter how much they might whine.

[Athom83]

Alex Morgaine, on 27 March 2017 - 04:38 AM, said:

Essentially they got clan Blazers... Why didnt the IS get its binary laser at least...

No "experimental" technologies will be introduced into the game.

[Ghogiel]

HMLs are going to be having at least 1 sec burns, ghost heat and only have crap range.

If HMLs were going to be amazinballs for lights poke play, then CERMLs would be really good right now. But they aren't.

Lights poking at 400-500m with CERML already trade badly enough with every thing due to forced exposure time of the 1sec burn. 6CERMLs and avoid ghost heat type alphas.

Now imagine the same thing, but poking at 300m, right up there where the position is even more risky, where is going to be less effective spots to peek from, with at best the same exposure times, for at best the same dmg (if you want to avoid ghost)

I'm just not seeing it on lights tbh.

[R Valentine]

If it's clan, it will be OP. If it's IS, it will suck. That is the way of the MWO.

[mogs01gt]

FupDup, on 26 March 2017 - 06:55 PM, said:

I'd just bump the heat up to 8-9 and set Ghost Heat to 3.

Heavy Lasers should ideally be very strong in low numbers so that mechs with low hardpoint counts can pack enough punch to be worth using, but the high heat makes them a bad idea to boat on mechs with plentiful hardpoints.

What Clan mech has low hardpoint counts other than light mechs.

Edited by mogs01gt, 27 March 2017 - 06:47 AM.

[Baulven]

mogs01gt, on 27 March 2017 - 06:45 AM, said:

What Clan mech has low hardpoint counts other than light mechs.

Fridge, summoner (non loyalty), a few others. There isn't a lot in the section but enough it might find some niche use.

[Gas Guzzler]

Cadoazreal, on 27 March 2017 - 12:05 AM, said:

Who cares this is still 12 months away.

Where did you get

"1 ton
7 heat
10 damage"

from ?

Uh its more like 3.5 months away.

[Mcgral18]

mogs01gt, on 27 March 2017 - 06:45 AM, said:

What Clan mech has low hardpoint counts other than light mechs.

SadCat
While he can technically have 8, MGs shouldn't really count
He has a low number of both Missiles and Energy (2 & 3 of either at the same time)

HLs and ATMs should help that.


Myth Lynx is notably below the good Light mechs (who tend to be 5-6+ E)
Most Omnis can get the required amount, and most of the Battlemechs have been inflated to be adequate, or have tonnage for big guns.

[MacClearly]

MechaBattler, on 26 March 2017 - 08:34 PM, said:

Duration should be longer than pulse lasers. Definitely a smaller ghost heat cap than regular versions.

So...you think ghost heat should kick in at more than six fired? Like seven or eight? I think their regular heat will make that impossible.

[ScrapIron Prime]

I'm not worried. Heavy lasers will be HOT and have long firing durations. You'll see the meta run right back to pulse lasers after the initial fury.

[Baulven]

Gas Guzzler, on 27 March 2017 - 07:00 AM, said:

Uh its more like 3.5 months away.

Somebody's optimistic

[Gas Guzzler]

Baulven, on 27 March 2017 - 07:08 AM, said:

Somebody's optimistic

Its tied to a mech pack release date so yeah. Those are never late.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Gas Guzzler, on 26 March 2017 - 09:04 PM, said:

From what I remember from MW4 with mektek, every time I tried to put HMLs on a mech, I regretted it. Being so hot and short range was just not worth it.

That's because if you were putting any laser that wasn't a LXPL, LL, HLL, or ERLL, you were doing it wrong.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 27 March 2017 - 07:20 AM.

[mogs01gt]

Mcgral18, on 27 March 2017 - 07:01 AM, said:

SadCat
While he can technically have 8, MGs shouldn't really count
He has a low number of both Missiles and Energy (2 & 3 of either at the same time)

HLs and ATMs should help that.


Myth Lynx is notably below the good Light mechs (who tend to be 5-6+ E)
Most Omnis can get the required amount, and most of the Battlemechs have been inflated to be adequate, or have tonnage for big guns.

The Thor is the only one I can really think that could benefit but the Scat shouldnt really be brawling with Heavy MLs.

[Gas Guzzler]

mogs01gt, on 27 March 2017 - 07:22 AM, said:

The Thor is the only one I can really think that could benefit but the Scat shouldnt really be brawling with Heavy MLs.

The Scat could take 2 HLLs though.

[mogs01gt]

Gas Guzzler, on 27 March 2017 - 07:23 AM, said:

The Scat could take 2 HLLs though.

Is that any better than LPL?

[Gas Guzzler]

mogs01gt, on 27 March 2017 - 07:25 AM, said:

Is that any better than LPL?

Its less range and more damage, so.... maybe? Really depends on what kind of stats the HLL has.

[Mcgral18]

mogs01gt, on 27 March 2017 - 07:22 AM, said:

The Thor is the only one I can really think that could benefit but the Scat shouldnt really be brawling with Heavy MLs.

2HLL and 17 DHS was my plan
ECM


Should be good enough for ~500M poking (which isn't that far off the LPL build, but should be more damage and cooling)
What type of falloff Heavy Lasers get can put the damper on it. I don't expect the HLL to hit much past 500M, extreme falloff (but good within that niche...PGIPLZ)

Gas Guzzler, on 27 March 2017 - 07:26 AM, said:

Its less range and more damage, so.... maybe? Really depends on what kind of stats the HLL has.

Also 4 more heatsinks