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[Negaman1971]

I played a match where I saw a teammate with a King Crab tear apart the opposition with 6 AC 2's (lucky me, I was scragged pretty fast so I got to spectate this guy for most of the match). So, you know, great job and all that, we won, cheers, etc.

But what I don't understand is what I was seeing in our King Crab's behavior. The weapon set up looked like this to me:

1 2 3 4 5 6
1 AC/2
2 AC/2
3 AC/2
4 AC/2
5 AC/2
6 AC/2

I don't know if he had chainfire enabled, but what I was seeing was a massive amount of fire coming out of those AC/2s. And it looked like some of those AC/2s were firing at the same time--what I guess I want to know is what made the AC's fire so fast?

I've used AC/2's before, and I've never seen them fire so fast

Dang, the editor isn't showing the spacing right under the weapons chart.

1 was under 1, 2 was under 2, 3 was under 3, etc, so a separate AC 2 under each group and key bind, if that makes sense.

[Carl Vickers]

He is using macro software. Only way to make 6 AC-2's machine gun.

[Y E O N N E]

He was probably using a macro to simulate perfectly staggered fire to rip rounds out like a chainsaw.

It's the same DPS as if you were to just fire all six together, it just looks and sounds way cooler and the cockpit shake on the target is considerable.

Carl Vickers, on 28 March 2017 - 07:24 PM, said:

He is using macro software. Only way to make 6 AC-2's machine gun.

Well, not the only way. You can play the number row like a piano, too.

[Carl Vickers]

Yeonne Greene, on 28 March 2017 - 07:25 PM, said:

Well, not the only way. You can play the number row like a piano, too.

True dat, but I would gather he would die very quickly trying that particular method of chain firing.

Edited by Carl Vickers, 28 March 2017 - 07:28 PM.

[El Bandito]

Yeonne Greene, on 28 March 2017 - 07:25 PM, said:

It's the same DPS as if you were to just fire all six together, it just looks and sounds way cooler and the cockpit shake on the target is considerable.

It's lower, since you are not getting the initial alpha.

[Y E O N N E]

El Bandito, on 28 March 2017 - 07:37 PM, said:

It's lower, since you are not getting the initial alpha.

Only relevant until one whole AC/2 cycle is complete.

[Xetelian]

Wait till KGC can pack 6 U-AC2s.

I wish PGI took a harder stance on macros.

[Necro Ash]

Saw it done with this :

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...aeeb6db412c107a

Asked the player in a twitch stream about it.

He said yes it can be macro'd but most gaming mice can do it to with their own software. You don't need 3rd party program for it if your mouse can internally macro. This guy claimed he programmed his mouse accordingly.

Either way, I think macro's aren't "sportsmanlike" conduct.

Although, Snuggles did post a couple videos on how to do it without macro software:

[Mcgral18]

Yeonne Greene, on 28 March 2017 - 07:25 PM, said:

He was probably using a macro to simulate perfectly staggered fire to rip rounds out like a chainsaw.

It's the same DPS as if you were to just fire all six together, it just looks and sounds way cooler and the cockpit shake on the target is considerable.



Well, not the only way. You can play the number row like a piano, too.

Carl Vickers, on 28 March 2017 - 07:27 PM, said:

True dat, but I would gather he would die very quickly trying that particular method of chain firing.

That, and a Group Fire

So, straddle 2-6, then hold 1
Or, mix arm 1 and arm 2 (or in the case of the Dakka Hawk, any 2 ACs) with Mouse Wheel Up and Down


So, MWu, MWd, hold MB1 and then you've got a staggered Dakka.

[Alex Morgaine]

Rac 2s :3
All the dakka. Glorious.

[Y E O N N E]

Necro Ash, on 28 March 2017 - 07:39 PM, said:

Saw it done with this :

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...aeeb6db412c107a

Asked the player in a twitch stream about it.

He said yes it can be macro'd but most gaming mice can do it to with their own software. You don't need 3rd party program for it if your mouse can internally macro. This guy claimed he programmed his mouse accordingly.

Either way, I think macro's aren't "sportsmanlike" conduct.

Although, Snuggles did post a couple videos on how to do it without macro software:

Using the mouse driver is still using macro software, just not standalone macro software.

[Negaman1971]

Thanks for the replies, now it makes sense.

[Mcgral18]

Alex Morgaine, on 28 March 2017 - 07:40 PM, said:

Rac 2s :3
All the dakka. Glorious.

It will be able to do 5 effectively (maybe heat issues)
6 suicidally

[Carl Vickers]

Isnt the reason people use fire control as macro software due to the fact you can specify the interval between shots too?

I think MWO does like a .5 second delay on chain fire and in fire control you specify something a lot lower to get the real machine gun thing happening.

[Y E O N N E]

Carl Vickers, on 28 March 2017 - 07:48 PM, said:

Isnt the reason people use fire control as macro software due to the fact you can specify the interval between shots too?

I think MWO does like a .5 second delay on chain fire and in fire control you specify something a lot lower to get the real machine gun thing happening.

Chain-fire is indeed slower, but if you assign each AC/2 to its own group and fire each group independently, with the final group containing all of the AC/2s, you circumvent that. Macro software just makes your intervals perfectly precise where, if you do it by hand, you'll probably hit one of the numbers too soon or too late and it will sound uneven (but functionally, it's the same output).

I think the only time macros actually increased the output was back when MGs could be gamed to have an output greater than the RoF by rapidly cycling the trigger in excess of 10 shots per second.

[Kuaron]

Appoint chainfire in groups of two, hit the sequence once, hold down all three buttons.
Your manual macro simulator.

If you goal of playing is listening to cool dakka sounds...

[El Bandito]

Xetelian, on 28 March 2017 - 07:38 PM, said:

Wait till KGC can pack 6 U-AC2s.

I wish PGI took a harder stance on macros.

Macros can't beat alphas when doing AC2s.

Edited by El Bandito, 28 March 2017 - 08:01 PM.

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

Yeonne Greene, on 28 March 2017 - 07:37 PM, said:

Only relevant until one whole AC/2 cycle is complete.

Group fire puts 12 damage on a single component, while macro or manual Gatling shooting will spread damage all over the target. There is only one way in which the Gatling behavior is superior, and that's in its impact on morale. It's scary for enemies and impressive for allies, even if it is less effective in every other way.

[Y E O N N E]

Levi Porphyrogenitus, on 28 March 2017 - 08:04 PM, said:

Group fire puts 12 damage on a single component, while macro or manual Gatling shooting will spread damage all over the target. There is only one way in which the Gatling behavior is superior, and that's in its impact on morale. It's scary for enemies and impressive for allies, even if it is less effective in every other way.

I know that, but that wasn't anywhere near the point of the statement.

[Mystere]

Xetelian, on 28 March 2017 - 07:38 PM, said:

I wish PGI took a harder stance on macros.

Necro Ash, on 28 March 2017 - 07:39 PM, said:

Either way, I think macro's aren't "sportsmanlike" conduct.

Really? So how the **** am I supposed to use those switches which MWO cannot detect without using macro software?





While you're at it, maybe PGI should also ban gaming keyboards, gaming mice, extra-large high-resolution monitors, top-of-the-line CPUs and GPUs, SSDs, etc. I mean, it's quite an unfair advantage over those that cannot afford those things, right?

Edited by Mystere, 28 March 2017 - 08:37 PM.