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[CK16]

With the door busted wide open on available chassis now with future tech I figure the easy question to answer might be. What mech are not available due to lacking tech?

[Mcgral18]

Nova U
He needs to get closer, and hit them with his sword

Edited by Mcgral18, 29 March 2017 - 05:11 AM.

[El Bandito]

CK16, on 29 March 2017 - 04:41 AM, said:

With the door busted wide open on available chassis now with future tech I figure the easy question to answer might be. What mech are not available due to lacking tech?

Just look through Jihad era and Dark Age era mechs. Also, any mech with HAG equipped on the prime variant.

[Hit the Deck]

Those with Hyper Assault Gauss Rifles, Heavy Ferro Fibrous, or Improved Jump Jets.

Add Compact Fusion and XXL Engine and to the list.

Alll of these are more future than the upcoming FutureTech (not sure about the XXL - when it's in production).

Edited by Hit the Deck, 29 March 2017 - 05:09 AM.

[CDLord HHGD]

Anything with melee (Hatchetman, Axeman)

[CK16]

Mcgral18, on 29 March 2017 - 04:52 AM, said:

Nova U
He needs to get closer, and hit the, with his sword

Mech "swords" have to be one of the dumbest things thought of...Clubs and Hatchets/Axes make sense cause big blunt smash object. A Fine sword blade though....really? Not like we are driving tin cans and that the sword could still slice a tomato after a good hit.

[El Bandito]

CK16, on 29 March 2017 - 05:06 AM, said:

Mech "swords" have to be one of the dumbest things thought of...Clubs and Hatchets/Axes make sense cause big blunt smash object. A Fine sword blade though....really? Not like we are driving tin cans and that the sword could still slice a tomato after a good hit.

TBF, it is called "sword" but it is built more like a machete. The edge is not fine.

[CDLord HHGD]

El Bandito, on 29 March 2017 - 05:22 AM, said:

TBF, it is called "sword" but it is built more like a machete. The edge is not fine.

Yeah, more like a thin club.

[jjm1]

Mad Cat MK-III

Lets see those weekly MC-III threads start up.

[Snowbluff]

jjm1, on 29 March 2017 - 06:03 AM, said:

Mad Cat MK-III

Lets see those weekly MC-III threads start up.

I started one a few weeks ago

[Metus regem]

Anything equipped with a Thunderbolt Launcher, PPC capacitor, Supercharger, TSEMP, LAC/s, cRAC/s, NOVA-CIWS, Angel ECM, HAG/s, MML/s, Improved Heavy Lasers, improved ATM/s... and I'm sure I'm forgetting a few things too....

Edited by Metus regem, 29 March 2017 - 06:56 AM.

[Athom83]

CDLord HHGD, on 29 March 2017 - 05:54 AM, said:

Yeah, more like a thin club.

A club disperses the kinetic energy because of the surface area of the weapon. The "sword" focuses that ke onto a thinner area, potentially doing more harm.

[Bishop Steiner]

CDLord HHGD, on 29 March 2017 - 05:54 AM, said:

Yeah, more like a thin club.

which is always a good idea for durability and defeating heavy armor. oh wait....it's not?

Athom83, on 29 March 2017 - 07:09 AM, said:

A club disperses the kinetic energy because of the surface area of the weapon. The "sword" focuses that ke onto a thinner area, potentially doing more harm.

yes and is also a hell of a lot more fragile, because of it, and actually were bad at defeating armor.

which is why axes, maces and picks were the weapons of choice (well, technically a pole axe, but I'm sticking to basic CQB melee here) for defeating such armor.

Go whack on a suit of gothic plate with a standard broadsword, or better yet, a Katana. You'll dent it up OK, and wear the hell out of your blade, and not uncommonly, break it.

Now go after the same suit of armor with a mace, or a battle axe. There is a reason many of the swords of the era were actually piercing weapons.

[B0oN]

CK16, on 29 March 2017 - 05:06 AM, said:

Mech "swords" have to be one of the dumbest things thought of...Clubs and Hatchets/Axes make sense cause big blunt smash object. A Fine sword blade though....really? Not like we are driving tin cans and that the sword could still slice a tomato after a good hit.

Vibroblades ... that was a thing in lore .

[Metus regem]

Athom83, on 29 March 2017 - 07:09 AM, said:

A club disperses the kinetic energy because of the surface area of the weapon. The "sword" focuses that ke onto a thinner area, potentially doing more harm.

While true, as Bishop pointed out it is also more fragile as well as if you don't get your angle of attack right your blade will skip off doing next to nothing.... Not to mention that during the middle ages the go to weapon for Footmen fighting knights (and other Knights fighting Knights) was the War-hammer/Maul/Pick/Mace/Flail.... Swords were good against guys in cloth and leather, not so great against mail (chain) or plate.

[Hit the Deck]

'Mech's armor is ablative in nature according to the source material. I imagine that cutting implements wouldn't be ideal for defeating that.

[Khobai]

I would like to see melee in the game but I think melee needs to be limited to mechs that have stock melee weapons

I dont think its reasonable for PGI to rerig the animations of every mech in the game to make melee attacks

[Tarogato]

El Bandito, on 29 March 2017 - 05:03 AM, said:

Also, any mech with HAG equipped on the prime variant.

I'm fairly certain there are zero of these, or at least nearly zero.

[Bishop Steiner]

The Shortbus, on 29 March 2017 - 07:20 AM, said:

Vibroblades ... that was a thing in lore .

Yes, now look up how a vibro blade works.

A motor of some sort vibrates the blade so fast it heats up. Sound like it's going to be durable or even terribly effective against heavy armor?

[Tru3insanity]

Im unfamiliar with the lore for melee in battle tech but many other sci-fi series use something called a fission blade. It vibrates at extremely high frequency and heats up to extremely hot temperatures and the blade itself is usually reinforced by molecular binding force generators. Remember we arent talking about medieval combat they likely have sufficiently advanced tech to make this feasible. Lets be honest here too mechs all on their own arent exactly the most realistic from a physics standpoint so give a little leeway and use your imagination. The idea of bringing a blade edge down to an atoms thickness has been played with as well. Area is a key part of that equation so having such a tiny area of impact means it can shear through things like a proverbial knife through butter (hah.)