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[Xetelian]

I'm not expert but I think that vid

Snowbluff, on 29 March 2017 - 09:29 PM, said:

O f course I wasn't comparing them. I said it would be stupid if a mace were to break if "you swung it the wrong way."

So Mr. World's strongest man, now many swords have you shatters into a million pieces? :l
Sword steel is actually springy, rather than hard. This makes it resilient. You can bend or dent them, or maybe even chip them, but actually snapping one is kind of incredibly difficult.
Take this ****** video of a guy using a longsword *incorrectly*.

They puncture the plate armor AND the sword didn't break.

I'm no expert but I have heard that people didn't wear leather armor, especially not such a thin piece of leather as they're using. Also Japan didn't have good iron until after they started trading for ore, up until then their weapons were made out of the iron in sand or something so their swords weren't super strong. I feel like all these Military channel, Discovery channel and History Channel shows are full of horrible 'tests' between things.

I saw a video that showed thick cloth armor stopping arrows a while back when there was a debate about For Honor's 3 archetypes doing battle.


Swords on Mechs sounds silly to me outside of a Gundam Wing episode.

Edited by Xetelian, 29 March 2017 - 10:02 PM.

[Snowbluff]

Xetelian, on 29 March 2017 - 10:02 PM, said:

I'm not expert but I think that vid


I'm no expert but I have heard that people didn't wear leather armor, especially not such a thin piece of leather as they're using. Also Japan didn't have good iron until after they started trading for ore, up until then their weapons were made out of the iron in sand or something so their swords weren't super strong. I feel like all these Military channel, Discovery channel and History Channel shows are full of horrible 'tests' between things.

I saw a video that showed thick cloth armor stopping arrows a while back when there was a debate about For Honor's 3 archetypes doing battle.


Swords on Mechs sounds silly to me outside of a Gundam Wing episode.

Yeah that video is terrible (I say so in my post). I think if you want to use a sword thrust against plate armor, you're attacking the joints, poking through any chain there. The point was that the sword didn't break while being used incorrectly with too much force and meeting too much resistance. I'm still bewildered by swords "shattering" or breaking as people have been saying.

I think any melee weapon is kind of silly on a mech, but I will say that the sword isn't any more levels of silly.

Edited by Snowbluff, 29 March 2017 - 10:09 PM.

[KHAN ATTAKHAN]

There is one melee mech in the game, the Kodiak, but it does not have the capability to melee due to ..............................................................
Here's where I shut up and not get spanked

[Snowbluff]

KHAN ATTAKHAN, on 29 March 2017 - 10:14 PM, said:

There is one melee mech in the game, the Kodiak, but it does not have the capability to melee due to ..............................................................
Here's where I shut up and not get spanked

I wonder what would happen if someone replaced the cool claws with a functional mech lance. A spirit bear charging with MASC and a pointy lance would probably smash up someone real good.

Edited by Snowbluff, 29 March 2017 - 10:17 PM.

[KHAN ATTAKHAN]

Vibro blades, not sure on those in the MW world but they certainly existed in the games heavy gear and heavy gear 2, vibro blade, vibro axe.

[Carl Vickers]

I think I remember 1 mech had a mech sized vibro sword, Kurtian mech from memory. Bear in mind this is from the books so is prolly not canon.

They did have human sized vibro blades.

[Bishop Steiner]

KHAN ATTAKHAN, on 29 March 2017 - 10:14 PM, said:

There is one melee mech in the game, the Kodiak, but it does not have the capability to melee due to ..............................................................
Here's where I shut up and not get spanked

Kodiak is NOT a melee mech. The "Claws" are completely non functional and for decoration ONLY.

[Snowbluff]

KHAN ATTAKHAN, on 29 March 2017 - 10:17 PM, said:

Vibro blades, not sure on those in the MW world but they certainly existed in the games heavy gear and heavy gear 2, vibro blade, vibro axe.

Man, how does a vibro weapon even work?

Bishop Steiner, on 29 March 2017 - 10:25 PM, said:

Kodiak is NOT a melee mech. The "Claws" are completely non functional and for decoration ONLY.

Not when I'm done with it.

[KHAN ATTAKHAN]

Of course its a melee weapon, I'm a khan and its a clan mech so there, I now declare my atlas to be a IIC and just for good measure ......... 1, 2, 3, 4, I now declare a thumb war.

Remember this is MWO, lore and canon don't count.

[Bishop Steiner]

KHAN ATTAKHAN, on 29 March 2017 - 11:19 PM, said:

Of course its a melee weapon, I'm a khan and its a clan mech so there, I now declare my atlas to be a IIC and just for good measure ......... 1, 2, 3, 4, I now declare a thumb war.

Remember this is MWO, lore and canon don't count.

Khan of Clan Looney Bin, maybe

[RumpledMunky]

Bishop Steiner, on 29 March 2017 - 08:06 PM, said:

long and (even comparatively) thin edge are a TERRIBLE surface for transferring energy. mass distribution is atrocious, regardless of "thin and sharp" or "chisel".

Agreed. But it's still seems like it would be more effective in a mech setting than a more sword like sword. A 5 meter long 5 ton Isosceles triangle that's edge of impact is around 30 degrees. It's heavy enough to do crushing damage but still has enough edge to drive in deeper than a club. Swords offer more utility overall than an axe or mace like weapon. They aren't as useful for breaking armoured targets but they are a little better in terms of defensive utility. As with anything it'd be a trade off but in terms of Battletech I'd say it's more aesthetic. I'd rather have the equivalent of a flanged mace or warhammer.

[CK16]

What is there to cut? Like last check super sharp steel does not cut other steel very well...far better off with sheering, crushing, or burning steel to cut it. You won't see a knife like fixture cutting steel in any industry...

[ChrystalNiNja88]

MMLs, vibroblades, VSPLs. I'll never see my beautiful Celestials. :*(

[Bishop Steiner]

ChrystalNiNja88, on 30 March 2017 - 01:54 PM, said:

MMLs, vibroblades, VSPLs. I'll never see my beautiful Celestials. :*(

well... first Battletech would need to design some beautiful celestials......

[Snowbluff]

ChrystalNiNja88, on 30 March 2017 - 01:54 PM, said:

MMLs, vibroblades, VSPLs. I'll never see my beautiful Celestials. :*(

Bishop Steiner, on 30 March 2017 - 02:53 PM, said:

well... first Battletech would need to design some beautiful celestials......

The celestials have grown on me. They're like Centurions (cool), but with a big, **** off knife instead of a shield.

Spoiler

CK16, on 30 March 2017 - 01:51 PM, said:

What is there to cut? Like last check super sharp steel does not cut other steel very well...far better off with sheering, crushing, or burning steel to cut it. You won't see a knife like fixture cutting steel in any industry...

Much like a mech club, it would be taking advantage of the self sheering armor of a battlemech. It's like shooting kevlar with arrows. Simply isn't the designed for that matchup.

[GrimRiver]

A sword like metal body with 2 emitters on the ends that project plasma contained in a magnetic field, I feel is more of a threat than a vibroblade.

It cuts, it melts and can fuse parts together making it very difficult to repair anything hit by it.

Edited by GrimRiver, 30 March 2017 - 07:20 PM.

[Snowbluff]

GrimRiver, on 30 March 2017 - 07:17 PM, said:

A sword like metal body with 2 emitters on the ends that project plasma contained in a magnetic field, I feel is more of a threat than a vibroblade.

It cuts, it melts and can fuse parts together making it very difficult to repair anything hit by it.

No good. Battlemech armor is designed to ablate to cut the damage from DE weapons such as lasers and plasma. The damage would manage itself. Secondly, it would defeat the one of the points of melee, which is low heat damage.

[MauttyKoray]

CK16, on 29 March 2017 - 04:41 AM, said:

With the door busted wide open on available chassis now with future tech I figure the easy question to answer might be. What mech are not available due to lacking tech?

LAMs, Quadrupeds...

[Bishop Steiner]

130# Warbow....vs well made plate breastplate at 20m......

Viva la gothic plate-

[HGAK47]

Melee combat in this game would be insane! haha. The rush of trying to "get in there fast" and start smashing and hacking like a madman! Would love that.