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[BLOOD WOLF]

Xetelian, on 29 March 2017 - 08:56 PM, said:

DOn't know what to expect

better to be a skeptic and accept the information given; Rather than people rev themselves up on imaginative things. Good show

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 29 March 2017 - 08:57 PM.

[Wil McCullough]

MechaBattler, on 29 March 2017 - 08:54 PM, said:

Before all the 'safezone' stuff came about in this generation. We were taught to be polite. Maybe that's just too old fashion in this day and age. But if you expect Russ to be professional, then why shouldn't he expect the same from people who claim to care about the game? Act like a jerk, get treated like jerk. Lose whatever point you were trying to make.

being polite is nice, but has no bearing on the discussion when the discussion is to decide the direction of a company's product.

i can politely call you a great many undesirable things, or i could call you a "fkin top bloke" rudely. it's what i'm saying that counts, not how i say it.

as the head of a company, russ has to act professional. it's his job. why is it the playerbase's onus to be polite? russ is trying to get the playerbase to hand over money. not the other way round. that's how businesses work. customers have no onus to be professional. a rude guy who opens his wallet every time is a better customer than the one who politely declines every time.

if a customer's rudeness makes russ lose track of the customer's point, he's obviously more concerned with the "how" rather than the "what". which means he lacks vision and the ability to be rational. which makes him at most a middle-management kind of guy, not the person to lead an entire developer studio.

that being said, some rude people just have nothing constructive to say. it's russ's responsibility to dismiss those, and to listen closely to those whose points have merit.

always keep in mind he's the one whose livelihood depends on whether the playerbase opens their wallets.

he's the professional. not us, and no the comp players.

[TheArisen]

I always view these things with reserved optimism. I'm hopeful but I'm not really expecting anything groundbreaking.

[Deathlike]

Mcgral18, on 29 March 2017 - 07:10 PM, said:

https://mrbcleague.c...php?storyid=240

We'll see if he truly means what he says in due time.

[Carl Vickers]

Comes down to agendas, thats what happened at the last FP round table. People came in with agendas and instead of getting things fixed/sorted, we ended up with a whole heap of crap that should not have been mentioned.

[justcallme A S H]

^ correct.

Added to that, stuff was promised and still yet to be delivered.

[MechaBattler]

Wil McCullough, on 29 March 2017 - 09:06 PM, said:

being polite is nice, but has no bearing on the discussion when the discussion is to decide the direction of a company's product.

i can politely call you a great many undesirable things, or i could call you a "fkin top bloke" rudely. it's what i'm saying that counts, not how i say it.

as the head of a company, russ has to act professional. it's his job. why is it the playerbase's onus to be polite? russ is trying to get the playerbase to hand over money. not the other way round. that's how businesses work. customers have no onus to be professional. a rude guy who opens his wallet every time is a better customer than the one who politely declines every time.

if a customer's rudeness makes russ lose track of the customer's point, he's obviously more concerned with the "how" rather than the "what". which means he lacks vision and the ability to be rational. which makes him at most a middle-management kind of guy, not the person to lead an entire developer studio.

that being said, some rude people just have nothing constructive to say. it's russ's responsibility to dismiss those, and to listen closely to those whose points have merit.

always keep in mind he's the one whose livelihood depends on whether the playerbase opens their wallets.

he's the professional. not us, and no the comp players.

And at the same time. He's entitled to ignore people who can't even present their point without being rude. It is his invitation to do a round table with them. Everyone seems to think they're entitled to tell the devs what to do. We're entitled to an opinion. How that opinion is regarded is in how we present it.

[LordNothing]

too much focus on the competitive sector. make a fun game and people will play it. but pgi is looking to do something miniscule and easy, then pass it off as a major feature. a little bit of ui work passed off as a major fp overhaul for example. so they do these round tables fishing for such ideas (coming up with their own is too much work). if they put as much effort into the game as they do at avoiding work, then maybe this game would have some meat on its bones.

Edited by LordNothing, 29 March 2017 - 10:13 PM.

[Marius Romanis]

Why do people keep making duplicate threads to announcement threads? I mean usually its so their 1st post stands out and gets read instead of getting lost in initial main thread. but this op said nothing in OP

[kesmai]

Another spin on the 'wheel of fortune' i guess.

[justcallme A S H]

CadoAzazel, on 29 March 2017 - 10:28 PM, said:

Why do people keep making duplicate threads to announcement threads? I mean usually its so their 1st post stands out and gets read instead of getting lost in initial main thread. but this op said nothing in OP

Well thus far we've been able to discuss it without it being derailed. Unfortunately I can't say the same for the official announcement thread.

[Wil McCullough]

MechaBattler, on 29 March 2017 - 09:57 PM, said:

And at the same time. He's entitled to ignore people who can't even present their point without being rude. It is his invitation to do a round table with them. Everyone seems to think they're entitled to tell the devs what to do. We're entitled to an opinion. How that opinion is regarded is in how we present it.

yes he has that entitlement, just like customers are entitled to not spend their money when they don't wish to. once again, let me remind you that russ runs a business and that a rude customer who opens his wallet every time is a better customer than a polite one who declines every time.

that is the nature of business. it's about making money, not making polite chit chat. you run a successful business by having an objective and coming up with a way to hit that objective. politeness is a nice, but completely unnecessary vanity and has no bearing on any proper business direction.

if a person is hung up on the "how" instead of "what" things are being said, they're stupid and superficial.

they're stupid and superficial because they can't identify a good idea from a bad one, so they key in on silly things like politeness. they can't think rationally, and so rely on emotion to make decisions. you see a lot of these kind of plebs in the lower rungs of any organisation - perfectly good for doing day-to-day tasks but utterly useless at anything else that requires a modicum of critical thinking.

good followers, bad leaders.

for good leaders, opinions are regarded by how well they're thought out and how much sense they make. not how polite or rude the person saying them are.

now its up to russ whether he wants to be a good leader or a bad one.

[Xetelian]

I'll say that people who are rude should stop and just be civil and present their points of view as best they can without vitriol, I also think Russ should be able to handle it and not ignore rude people's opinions just because they were rude.

This brings up the whole thing about Paul not having any interaction with players anymore.

Or Russ deflecting and ignoring a loaded question simply because it was a loaded question.

Sometimes you just have to wear your big boy pants to work and act like an adult, this goes for both sides.

Edited by Xetelian, 29 March 2017 - 10:50 PM.

[FireStoat]

Carl Vickers, on 29 March 2017 - 04:36 PM, said:

People are more likely to reply to a thread from TheArisen.

This.

My thoughts on the competitive scene for this game revolve around the presentation of the streams as the comp match unfolds. I wish the announcers would study Riot Games and Blizzard's venues for official matches for tips. Not being snide with this - a key piece of constructive criticism would be that if a company wants to be taken seriously, they need to start from the ground up with the presentation itself being taken seriously by the people opening their mouths to be heard by the thousands of viewers. Phrases involving human anatomy, broken English sentences, and constant cursing reflect as a level of effort being taken (read: low) to a number of older players, of which this game has PLENTY.

tldr; peeps representing the company in a stream should reflect a class act to be taken as a class act.

Edited by FireStoat, 29 March 2017 - 11:09 PM.

[PhoenixFire55]

Just a bone thrown to a dog to show that they "care". Which they don't. Nor do they have even the slightest understanding of competitive scene/gameplay. Which was clearly proven by their "most competitive tournament in the history of competitivness" or their PGI team that failed miserably in lowest MRBC division. I guess miracles do happen but somehow I'm not holding my breath ...

[Sjorpha]

Mcgral18, on 29 March 2017 - 07:10 PM, said:

https://mrbcleague.c...php?storyid=240

Nice.

I have to say I'm baffled that no question about how he wants to deal with clan vs IS tech imbalance was asked, but otherwise he sounds reasonable enough.

[Kangarad]

but if russ is there... how can he be in the competition without partaking in it...

[627]

Will this be about the lost decals?


Seriously, all the roundtables/meetings/whatever haven't had any influence on this game... 10 cbills we get a new mechpack after it and that's it. Oh wait, we already got a comp scene sale, lol.

[TLBFestus]

justcallme A S H, on 29 March 2017 - 06:34 PM, said:

I don't want to be overly critical of PGI, but it's just bad step after bad step. I just don't understand how it's getting so wrong, each time either.

Russ and PGI could literally flip a coin and get things right 50% of the time. That's a considerably better success rate at implementation than they have now.

What will come of this round table? Nothing. At least nothing you might expect. Russ will listen to these guys, secretly smiling inside because he knows more than they ever will, and then carve his own path.

As to the side discussion about how it doesn't matter "how" things are said rather than what is said, this is typical BS commentary from people on the internet who talk a tough game from behind a keyboard but would never do it face to face.

Virtually none of us would talk the same in person as we do in a forum, and for the most part, those of us that did would be thought of as socially challenged a-holes. I know this pretty much as well as I know that there will soon follow the inevitable reply from someone who will claim that they would not change their tenor one bit in person.

Since this is an internets meeting rather than a face to face, I expect the usual results, in other words "not much". Russ will have his NGNG body guards filtering the questions and carefully managing what gets through to him and the merry-go-round will keep turning.

It's a dog and pony show, the only purpose of which is to give the impression that Russ is listening. He just won't be caring or interested is all.

[Jables McBarty]

Wil McCullough, on 29 March 2017 - 10:38 PM, said:

yes he has that entitlement, just like customers are entitled to not spend their money when they don't wish to. once again, let me remind you that russ runs a business and that a rude customer who opens his wallet every time is a better customer than a polite one who declines every time.

that is the nature of business. it's about making money, not making polite chit chat. you run a successful business by having an objective and coming up with a way to hit that objective. politeness is a nice, but completely unnecessary vanity and has no bearing on any proper business direction.

if a person is hung up on the "how" instead of "what" things are being said, they're stupid and superficial.

they're stupid and superficial because they can't identify a good idea from a bad one, so they key in on silly things like politeness. they can't think rationally, and so rely on emotion to make decisions. you see a lot of these kind of plebs in the lower rungs of any organisation - perfectly good for doing day-to-day tasks but utterly useless at anything else that requires a modicum of critical thinking.

good followers, bad leaders.

for good leaders, opinions are regarded by how well they're thought out and how much sense they make. not how polite or rude the person saying them are.

now its up to russ whether he wants to be a good leader or a bad one.

And yet one of the distinct advantages of running a small, privately and closely held business over a publicly traded one is the right to fire customers and simply close up shop whenever you feel like it.

"Good business practice" means one thing to the MBA class and another to the non-credentialed small business owner.