24 replies to this topic

[LordNothing]

we have all seen countless posts about the lameness of supply caches. mostly because the good prizes are practically unwinnable and the lame prizes suck. they may be better for newer players, but if you have been around long enough the condolence prizes are just spare parts to add to the huge pile of spare parts in our existing inventories.

when the new weapons come out im probibly going to drop every cbill i have on them, and its not going to be enough. however if they start appearing as common prizes in supply caches, you might stimulate a large amount of mc sales as players begin to stock up on firepower. id certainly open a few caches if that were the case.

Edited by LordNothing, 30 March 2017 - 10:57 PM.

[BLOOD WOLF]

you might be on to something. smart idea to, now I got to start saving my caches.

[Shifty McSwift]

I wouldn't expect any update or change to supply caches to actually change the contents of caches people own right now, that could cause serious rage to people who have saved up a stack of rares or whatnot.

Logically any changes would affect future caches.

Edited by Shifty McSwift, 30 March 2017 - 11:05 PM.

[TheArisen]

Well it couldn't hurt so why not?

[El Bandito]

Tweet to Russ.

[BLOOD WOLF]

El Bandito, on 30 March 2017 - 11:08 PM, said:

Tweet to Russ.

russ can't do much. All built on mathematical probability with set values. With Rare items probably at 10%(if your lucky)

[Kaspirikay]

why? so i have to open crates just to get guns to be able to build the mech i want? be at the mercy of RNG while other people get to fully fit their mechs?

thats a horrible idea for crates. add skins and colors to the damn boxes. don't let it touch gameplay.

[SteelMantis]

Kaspirikay, on 31 March 2017 - 12:58 AM, said:

why? so i have to open crates just to get guns to be able to build the mech i want? be at the mercy of RNG while other people get to fully fit their mechs?

thats a horrible idea for crates. add skins and colors to the damn boxes. don't let it touch gameplay.

That's what I was expecting to say when I opened this thread as well.

But if the new weapons are still available for C-bills as well as replacing the common stuff in the caches nobody wants it seems like a good idea.

I know I would be more likely to open boxes with bad rares for a few months at least if they would have commons I don't already have many extras of.

[LordNothing]

Kaspirikay, on 31 March 2017 - 12:58 AM, said:

why? so i have to open crates just to get guns to be able to build the mech i want? be at the mercy of RNG while other people get to fully fit their mechs?

thats a horrible idea for crates. add skins and colors to the damn boxes. don't let it touch gameplay.

not against adding skins, dekkles and colors. but those are all mc items, so they would be uncommon or rares at best. the new weapons will be immediately available for cbills (as stated by pgi). what a million or so for a rac5 or an mrm40. how far will your cbill stash go? your options are either to grind more, buy premium time to lessen the grind, buy mc and convert it directly to cbills, buy a mechpack and get the weapons that way, or buy keys and win them. options are good.

keep in mind that if these are common items, you will still have a chance at the good loot. its just when you loose you might get something you can actually use. its good for pgi because it gets people buying mc, and its an option for people looking to outfit their mechs quickly. you dont loose anything if the new weapons are in the caches. if you thought i meant that they would only be available in the supply caches, check your reading comprehension.

Edited by LordNothing, 31 March 2017 - 03:11 AM.

[Magnus Santini]

LordNothing, if the old weapons are in there, it makes sense the new ones should be in too. Incidentally, twice last week I opened a box to try to win a rifleman. Instead I got two rifles!

[LordNothing]

Magnus Santini, on 31 March 2017 - 01:33 PM, said:

LordNothing, if the old weapons are in there, it makes sense the new ones should be in too. Incidentally, twice last week I opened a box to try to win a rifleman. Instead I got two rifles!

im concerned that the crates are just a pre-approved set of stuffs, not created dynamically from the various in game content. this would require pgi to add additional approved sets. now if it is in fact a dynamic system then it should be ready. but pgi has a bad habbit of shooting themselves in the foot by not making systems maintainable.

[oldradagast]

LordNothing, on 31 March 2017 - 01:45 PM, said:

im concerned that the crates are just a pre-approved set of stuffs, not created dynamically from the various in game content. this would require pgi to add additional approved sets. now if it is in fact a dynamic system then it should be ready. but pgi has a bad habbit of shooting themselves in the foot by not making systems maintainable.

Having seen exactly identical crates, down to not only the content but where the items were placed in the crate, in my inventory at the same time, I strongly suspect they are not truly random. I also have a bad feeling what you win may be tied to the crate's pre-determined contents.

That being said, adding new weapons to the crates - and the Light Fusion Engine, IMHO - is a great idea and may encourage people to spend money opening crates since the new weapons and engines will be costly and you'll need a lot of cbills to refit many of your mechs.

[Koniving]

BLOOD WOLF, on 31 March 2017 - 12:24 AM, said:

russ can't do much. All built on mathematical probability with set values. With Rare items probably at 10%(if your lucky)

Tack in new weapons.
Set probability to common.
Bam.

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This said, if there was a cbill version of supply crates as well (every other F2P game that does the supply crate system has them for the regular earned currency too) I'd be fine with it. I like the idea of finding new weapon stores in supply crates that we've captured.

I'm not sure how eager I'd be to collect them through cash, but as long as I can buy them with cbills it doesn't really matter what you quacks do with the crates.

oldradagast, on 31 March 2017 - 01:51 PM, said:

To your signature... it likely won't buddy. But, Mechwarrior 5 has potential promise. At least we know what Brian's been working on.

[LordNothing]

oldradagast, on 31 March 2017 - 01:51 PM, said:

Having seen exactly identical crates, down to not only the content but where the items were placed in the crate, in my inventory at the same time, I strongly suspect they are not truly random. I also have a bad feeling what you win may be tied to the crate's pre-determined contents.

That being said, adding new weapons to the crates - and the Light Fusion Engine, IMHO - is a great idea and may encourage people to spend money opening crates since the new weapons and engines will be costly and you'll need a lot of cbills to refit many of your mechs.

interesting you say that. twice ive won mechs, both times they were the same dragon varient.

[MauttyKoray]

BLOOD WOLF, on 30 March 2017 - 11:01 PM, said:

you might be on to something. smart idea to, now I got to start saving my caches.

Shifty McSwift, on 30 March 2017 - 11:04 PM, said:

I wouldn't expect any update or change to supply caches to actually change the contents of caches people own right now, that could cause serious rage to people who have saved up a stack of rares or whatnot.

Logically any changes would affect future caches.

It would be a good idea to update any supply cache earned after the Civil War update with the new weaponry/equipment. There would be a bigger reason immediately following the update to open caches for people that have the extra keys to do so.

[BLOOD WOLF]

MauttyKoray, on 31 March 2017 - 05:11 PM, said:

It would be a good idea to update any supply cache earned after the Civil War update with the new weaponry/equipment. There would be a bigger reason immediately following the update to open caches for people that have the extra keys to do so.

there really is no reason not to. It logically follows that if you can win weapons as of now in the caches we can expect to see in game items such as the weapons.

I am not to worried about it

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 01 April 2017 - 03:23 PM.

[Alexander of Macedon]

Yeah, just swap out all the AC/5s, 10x Advanced UAVs and stuff for the new weapons. I might actually open ones without rare stuff then.

[Elizander]

Shifty McSwift, on 30 March 2017 - 11:04 PM, said:

I wouldn't expect any update or change to supply caches to actually change the contents of caches people own right now, that could cause serious rage to people who have saved up a stack of rares or whatnot.

Logically any changes would affect future caches.

They should just introduce new caches.

1) Generic Cache (what we have now, leave them alone)
2) Inner Sphere Cache (you get this if you are piloting an IS mech)
3) Clan Cache (you get this if you are piloting a clan mech)

There's a mix pool of random stuff that the caches can share (generic things everyone can use like MC/C-bills/Premium/Bays). New IS stuff in the IS Cache (LFEs, weapons, mechs, dekkels) and new Clan stuff in the Clan cache (weapons, omnipods, etc). I really, REALLY suggest that PGI take steps to make custom, visible cosmetics that are only available in the new cache boxes instead of what is already available. PGI can also make 30% c-bill versions of other variants available in cache boxes as low hanging fruit for them.

Old caches drop at say 50% or 75% of the time and otherwise you get a cache that is IS/Clan depending on the mech you pilot. If PGI isn't making enough money from keys, this is a second chance at making more appealing loot boxes. There are a lot more that can be done such as letting plebs open a cache for logging in and playing a game for 15 days straight and selling some caches for MC for those that can't wait or don't have time to play games.

[Lances107]

I am not against the idea, so long s you can still buy said weapons via cbills. The reason why is because your idea ultimately leads to pay to win, and luck to win.

[Elizander]

Lances107, on 01 April 2017 - 09:51 PM, said:

I am not against the idea, so long s you can still buy said weapons via cbills. The reason why is because your idea ultimately leads to pay to win, and luck to win.

I think it goes without saying that the weapons and equipment will still be available for c-bills. The outrage would blot out the sun if they put the new gear behind a paywall.