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[Deathlike]

Bishop Steiner, on 03 April 2017 - 04:59 PM, said:

Not going to name names. Just leads to denial, butthurt, justification and ends up obfuscating the point, which was not even NS-centric. As far as your unit? I'll say it's generally when I see your more notable members, that they act like a cone of silence. Offer to pair up, ask for input on a direction or tactic, and get..... Crickets. Hardly the only competitive group that apparently think the pugs are beneath notice, or simply there to be meat shields. But seldom do I see these premade groups actually even try to herd the cats.

Again, is it just your guys, or am I even saying NS ignores everyone, every time? No. But having been in drops in this account, and others, and seeing little to usually no attempt to guide the potatoes to not become potato salad..... It gets really old to get the smartass commentary either end of match in chat, or here on the forums.

*shrugs *

But hey, what do I know? Just another potato.

Do you honestly want people to be babysat and talked down to in a match? If you want a plan, FOLLOW THE EXPERIENCED TEAM. What a shocker that is? It's problematic if the experienced team is minority (as in, they are fewer in number than the bigger group), chances are the bigger group has a greater say in the outcome of the match (for better or worse, this is reality). How complicated is this? I do this every effing time when I see EmP/SJR or the like are in a match. Wow, what a novel idea.

Just the accusations alone is insulting, frankly because not every NS grouped up are the same. I don't just one unit because of one or more notable players. If you're "lost", ask questions early on or don't expect much in return. God forbid you didn't want to say your peace.

Edited by Deathlike, 03 April 2017 - 05:20 PM.

[Davegt27]

Dee Eight, on 03 April 2017 - 03:10 PM, said:

A few folks in this thread need to familiarize themselves with wheaton's law.

Never heard of Wheaton's law

But I would love a law that says you can't say push unless your on the front row lol

[Mcgral18]

JC Daxion, on 03 April 2017 - 04:52 PM, said:

Use any name you would like on the boards, but in game, insulting others is kinda immature.. Though i'd rather folks just go group drop and have fun.. call me crazy.

It's hard to have fun when half your team consistently fails to deal 200 damage

[FireStoat]

Mcgral18, on 03 April 2017 - 05:39 PM, said:

It's hard to have fun when half your team consistently fails to deal 200 damage

The damage total is only a moderately accurate indicator. Very, very good players piloting brawling mechs might be given the assurance that support is happening on a key push, only to have 5-6 players on the team not following through regardless of what they just agreed on in the VOIP. It's a catch-22. If you're in a brawl build and you hold off on a commit to engage due to a lack of trust in your team, the game is easily lost due to inaction - on your part as well as others holding back with you. If you do and the support isn't there, you lose there as well.

Meanwhile, if you're in a longer ranged snipe build like the gauss + PPC meta and your team is up against aggressive players who ARE packing brawl builds, you might be losing yet again - but at least your personal damage score might be higher. It's a tough decision any way you look at it, but I wouldn't be the first to judge a poor damage score on someone who tried and was left hanging.

Edit - last point: that Cyclops LRM boat who managed 240 total damage is most certainly NOT deserving of your approval on that damage criteria. Yet another factor that fell through the hole on that "Do X amount of damage to be a good player." I could do that crap all day long and lose every game.

Edited by FireStoat, 03 April 2017 - 05:53 PM.

[Kin3ticX]

Well it was either Potato, Baby Seal, or Glue Eater

[Deathlike]

Kin3ticX, on 03 April 2017 - 05:52 PM, said:

Well it was either Potato, Baby Seal, or Glue Eater

I thought these things were stuff people would sexually identify as.

Edited by Deathlike, 03 April 2017 - 05:58 PM.

[Kin3ticX]

Deathlike, on 03 April 2017 - 05:58 PM, said:

I thought these things were stuff people would sexually identify as.

check out this crazy match i just had

i think i just destroyed the solo queue

[Erronius]

Solanum tuberosum, reporting in!

Kiran Yagami, on 03 April 2017 - 06:47 AM, said:

It's always better to provide some constructive feedback to new players rather than tear them a new ****, but god is it painful watching new people aim(or try to) from spectator mode. It's like watch a paraplegic trying to color between the lines. Cringe worthy.

I was newly T4 a couple months ago and the last mech alive in a Crimson Strait Conquest match (Pirate's Bane). I'm on the spawn cap near the island and the enemy team makes a beeline for me. I think it ended up being 2v1 or 3v1 with me going 165kph in circles trying to hit them as best I could (I've since heard that you don't turn nearly as well at 100% speed as you do just using CC at 80%-90%?). I knew I was going to get rekt quickly, and there were still a few teammates who were staying to watch me get schooled. I die and I'm waiting to see if someone is going to tee off on me, and instead I get the simple comment along the lines of "Dude...you really need to turn your sensitivity down if you want to hit anything". No anger in the guy's voice, no /rage rant, just a comment right before the end of the match. I think the player was JIgglymoobs but I'm not 100%. I just went to settings, saw I was at around 50% already and went somewhere down around 20% or so and fooled around in testing grounds a bit.

I think I only remember it because I was somewhat nonplussed. This was probably the first of only 2-3 times I've ever been given any kind of constructive criticism or feedback in this game. 99.99% of the time it's either complete silence or light banter, with an extremely small number of people making ***es of themselves. I mean, I appreciated it because I'd like to think that it helped make me suck slightly less.

jjm1, on 02 April 2017 - 09:47 PM, said:

Tier 5 players should stay in tier 5, then everyone is happy, this is on PGI.

I'd be willing to wager an even million that PGI would consider separating the tiers from each other completely and calculate PSR differently if they had a high enough player population to allow it. And that's really the elephant in the room that I see in countless threads on these forums, similar to how it appears in regards to so many other online games.

That's the #1 issue facing PGI, IMHO. Player population. If they could increase the player population by even one order of magnitude, they could afford to address a lot of the complaints people currently have.

TL;DR: You're right, in that it's on PGI, but I don't think there is much else that PGI can do unless people want wait times increased by a large amount.

Edited by Erronius, 03 April 2017 - 06:25 PM.

[LordNothing]

if you take offense being compared to a tastey tuber, then perhaps you are too easily offended and need to grow some armor.

[Douglas grizzly]

Have you guys ever thought that one reasons people insult is a, to needle their team mates into actually pulling their weight instead of just throwing the match just bec they are basically fapping off?

[Kin3ticX]

In the Land of Mech Pokemon Puglandia we must live with the simple fact that Baby Seals either evolve into Potatoes or evolve into Sharks With Frickin Laser Beams Attached to Their Heads.

[General Solo]

One reason people insult others is to throw players off their game.

Don't give in to this.

It takes away your mech supa powerz


For History Buff's

If your opponent is easily irritated, seek to irritate him. Sun Tzu

Hard to play good when your triggered
Unless that stuff actually motivates you

Edited by OZHomerOZ, 03 April 2017 - 06:31 PM.

[Kin3ticX]

OZHomerOZ, on 03 April 2017 - 06:29 PM, said:

One reason people insult others is to throw players off their game.

Don't give in to this.

It takes away your mech supa powerz


For History Buff's

If your opponent is easily irritated, seek to irritate him. Sun Tzu

Hard to play good when your triggered
Unless that stuff actually motivates you

Good point, this is very true. ggclose before and after a good stomping triggered the living **** out of the community to the point they were too upset to play well anymore. Dont clam up over a little **** talk, its hard though.

Edited by Kin3ticX, 03 April 2017 - 06:32 PM.

[General Solo]

Douglas grizzly, on 03 April 2017 - 06:27 PM, said:

Have you guys ever thought that one reasons people insult is a, to needle their team mates into actually pulling their weight instead of just throwing the match just bec they are basically fapping off?

Yeah but that can backfire

Carrot better than the stick

Cause no one has a pension to lose

[Mcgral18]

FireStoat, on 03 April 2017 - 05:50 PM, said:

Edit - last point: that Cyclops LRM boat who managed 240 total damage is most certainly NOT deserving of your approval on that damage criteria. Yet another factor that fell through the hole on that "Do X amount of damage to be a good player." I could do that crap all day long and lose every game.

No, not a good player
Just not a Terribad play


200 damage is better than not 200 damage
Certainly better than Capping

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Mcgral18, on 03 April 2017 - 06:36 PM, said:

Certainly better than Capping

Oh boy, don't you just love those players who are the last one alive after letting their team die, calls everyone morons for not splitting up to cap the whole game for about as many cbills as you find in a couch cushion, then while capping comes across a nearly dead mech, doesn't fire on a single damaged part of it, spreads damage all over, then dies with lowest score on team.

Great guys those are, especially with the absolutely wonderful build you get to examine while spectating.

[Kin3ticX]

Raw damage farming in the strictest sense isnt ideal but its the next best thing to perfectly coring, heatshotting, or legging a mech.

Damage isnt everything but its fairly colinear with assists, kills, and winning. There is no way to get away from having to do some good amount of damage to do well.

[Bishop Steiner]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 03 April 2017 - 04:56 PM, said:

This is true, but you get less kills than you normally would in solo queue as well, so it isn't quite as simple as that.

Pretty sure, if you were to record 100 team drops, vs 100 solos, that the much lower death rate would compensate. But no, I agree it's not black and white, hence my comment to begin with. After all, if you do this 100 team drops mostly against other comp teams, your results will differ than just against the masses.

Meh

Deathlike, on 03 April 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

Do you honestly want people to be babysat and talked down to in a match? If you want a plan, FOLLOW THE EXPERIENCED TEAM. What a shocker that is? It's problematic if the experienced team is minority (as in, they are fewer in number than the bigger group), chances are the bigger group has a greater say in the outcome of the match (for better or worse, this is reality). How complicated is this? I do this every effing time when I see EmP/SJR or the like are in a match. Wow, what a novel idea.

Just the accusations alone is insulting, frankly because not every NS grouped up are the same. I don't just one unit because of one or more notable players. If you're "lost", ask questions early on or don't expect much in return. God forbid you didn't want to say your peace.

Lolz. Thanks for demonstrating the comp mind douchery so readily that I didn't have to name names.

[Bishop Steiner]

Mcgral18, on 03 April 2017 - 05:39 PM, said:

It's hard to have fun when half your team consistently fails to deal 200 damage

It's likewise hard to have fun when half your team are condescending douchebags who act like the game is here only for their convenience and everyone else is just a meat shield.

Go figure. it's amazing why so many people have such low opinions of the comp scene. Huh.

Oddly, have seen comp overlords who do deign to socialize with the rabble often lead them to success. But I suppose if it's easier to ignore them, then rage that they didn't follow you're carefully constructed Uber comp plan that you never bothered to let them in on.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 03 April 2017 - 06:56 PM.

[Deathlike]

Bishop Steiner, on 03 April 2017 - 06:50 PM, said:

Lolz. Thanks for demonstrating the comp mind douchery so readily that I didn't have to name names.

Uh, I had that mentality before I was even serious for comp play. Playing with better people and learning from this is better than trying to figure out the guy that isn't using "R" to target.

Bishop Steiner, on 03 April 2017 - 06:56 PM, said:

It's likewise hard to have fun when half your team are condescending douchebags who act like the game is here only for their convenience and everyone else is just a meat shield.

Go figure. it's amazing why so many people have such low opinions of the comp scene. Huh.

Oddly, have seen comp overlords who do deign to socialize with the rabble often lead them to success. But I suppose if it's easier to ignore them, then rage that they didn't follow you're carefully constructed Uber comp plan that you never bothered to let them in on.

You do realize that you being condescending tends to get an equally condescending response? Turnabout is fair play last I checked.