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[Acehilator]

Ruar, on 11 April 2017 - 05:40 PM, said:

Whatever helps you feel better about your style of play.

Super impressive argument you are making there. Well thought out, well presented.

Valleric, on 11 April 2017 - 06:22 PM, said:

That is why you will always be bad and get rolled by my crew every game. Keep it up. I like the wins.

You really need to learn to read before posting. I explicitly stated that LRM Assaults only work in solo QP, so what has your "crew" to do with this, exactly? I don't really play group queue all that much, and if I do, you won't see me using LRMs.


You LRM hater guys are super funny... challenging your preconceptions must be really scary.

[Athom83]

Acehilator, on 12 April 2017 - 05:28 AM, said:

You really need to learn to read before posting. I explicitly stated that LRM Assaults only work in solo QP, so what has your "crew" to do with this, exactly? I don't really play group queue all that much, and if I do, you won't see me using LRMs.

Have you ever faced a group drop where one guy has a NARC and the others are all in LRM assaults with LRM80+? The guy with the NARC essentially becomes the Reaper as he pick who lives (for now) and who dies.

[Acehilator]

Athom83, on 12 April 2017 - 05:36 AM, said:

Have you ever faced a group drop where one guy has a NARC and the others are all in LRM assaults with LRM80+? The guy with the NARC essentially becomes the Reaper as he pick who lives (for now) and who dies.

Yeah I know, but that requires a lot of effort and team coordination. It works, but I would not consider it "everyday usable".

[Ruar]

Acehilator, on 12 April 2017 - 05:28 AM, said:

Super impressive argument you are making there. Well thought out, well presented.




You really need to learn to read before posting. I explicitly stated that LRM Assaults only work in solo QP, so what has your "crew" to do with this, exactly? I don't really play group queue all that much, and if I do, you won't see me using LRMs.


You LRM hater guys are super funny... challenging your preconceptions must be really scary.

I presented well thought out arguments and you attempted to invalidate them with illogical drivel that simply supports your flawed opinion. Why would I attempt to convince you again when you show no signs of being willing to grasp the basic fundamentals of why you are wrong?

And I don't hate LRMs, I just recognize their place and role on the battlefield. The fact you state an LRM assault is only viable in solo QP shows you are perfectly fine with making the rest of the team work harder to cover your poor choice.

But hey, it's a game and we play to have fun. It's not your job to make sure the other 11 people on your team have fun. Your only job is to make sure you have fun, even if it means the other 11 people on the team have less fun because of your choices.

Edited by Ruar, 12 April 2017 - 05:51 AM.

[Acehilator]

Ruar, on 12 April 2017 - 05:51 AM, said:

I presented well thought out arguments and you attempted to invalidate them with illogical drivel that simply supports your flawed opinion. Why would I attempt to convince you again when you show no signs of being willing to grasp the basic fundamentals of why you are wrong?

And I don't hate LRMs, I just recognize their place and role on the battlefield. The fact you state an LRM assault is only viable in solo QP shows you are perfectly fine with making the rest of the team work harder to cover your poor choice.

But hey, it's a game and we play to have fun. It's not your job to make sure the other 11 people on your team have fun. Your only job is to make sure you have fun, even if it means the other 11 people on the team have less fun because of your choices.

"Well thought out arguments"? Your post on page 8? With those brilliant quotes like:

"Assaults have to be effective at 300m or less in order to truly fill their role of assaulting."? Have you even been playing solo queue lately? And taken a close look at where the meta build Assaults are hanging out, on average?

or (my favorite):

"You can't assault if you are in the back lines throwing long range damage out." What exactly is keeping LRM boats from closing with the enemy? And again, even if they hang out in the back, why are only LRM Assaults singled out for doing this? I don't really see people screaming bloody murder when a meta KDK does the same.

But yeah, LRM Assaults are ALWAYS detrimental to the team and there is NO possible way they could be helpful. That's why two out of my three best performing mechs are LRM Assaults. Like I said, suuuuuure, I only got lucky with teams carrying me, despite me dragging them down.

[R Valentine]

I had a Centurion pilot last night who was still hiding behind the hills with zoom on when he was one of the last 4 remaining. 3 enemies left. His buddies are engaged, but he's still hiding behind a snow bank in Polar trying to peek. The problem is, the mech has garbage mounts and he was exposing as little as possible, meaning 2 out of every 3 shots hits the hill in front of him. Toggling back and forth, shooting the f**k out of that poor hill, not hitting enemies. The fight actually moved further away from him, but he didn't so for some time he couldn't actually get to a point where he could see the enemies, let alone hit them. Needless to say, in the end the other team came back from their 1 mech deficit, having been aided by our Centurion absentee, and crushed our remaining mechs given most were damaged. They find a mostly fresh Centurion hiding behind a hill and gang bang him. Match lost. I wanted to vomit.

Edited by Kiran Yagami, 12 April 2017 - 09:18 AM.

[Battlemaster56]

Kiran Yagami, on 12 April 2017 - 07:02 AM, said:

I had a Centurion pilot last night who was still hiding behind the hills with zoom on when he was one of the last 4 remaining. 3 enemies left. His buddies are engaged, but he's still hiding behind a snow bank in Polar trying to peek. The problem is, the mech has garbage mounts and he was exposing as little as possible, meaning 2 out of every 3 shots hits the hill in front of him. Toggling back and forth, shooting the f**k out of that poor hill, not hitting enemies. The fight actually moved further away from him, but he didn't so for some time he couldn't actually get to a point where he could see the enemies, let alone hit them. Needless to say, in the end the other team came back from their 1 mech deficit, having been aided by our Centurion absentee, and crushed out remaining mechs given most were damaged. They find a mostly fresh Centurion hiding behind a hill and gang bang him. Match lost. I wanted to vomit.

Urrghh that's just disgusting hate seeing that when someone zoom in with advance or 3x+ advance and just shooting some poor hill or rock back.

[Erronius]

What was that LRM Assault pilot doing in a Centurion?

[Widowmaker1981]

Athom83, on 12 April 2017 - 05:36 AM, said:

Have you ever faced a group drop where one guy has a NARC and the others are all in LRM assaults with LRM80+? The guy with the NARC essentially becomes the Reaper as he pick who lives (for now) and who dies.

on Polar highlands (and maybe Alpine), if the light pilot is very good (otherwise he will be dead instantly due to being the only target ever exposed) and you dont have enough ECM, that can be scary. On any other map its pretty easy to counter. Bit too situational in my opinion.

Edited by Widowmaker1981, 12 April 2017 - 08:11 AM.

[R Valentine]

Erronius, on 12 April 2017 - 08:06 AM, said:

What was that LRM Assault pilot doing in a Centurion?

Gotta spend those space bucks on something. Probably had all his LRM modules already.

[I_AM_ZUUL]

tker 669, on 11 April 2017 - 05:43 PM, said:

No, it was good the way it was.

See the thing is you provided a visual aid and whatnot detailing your story, your account and your version.

Who are you to decide who is a detriment or where people should be positioned?

I get that you are really high on yourself and think you know what you are talking about. You might even convince people if you went about it differently or when things went bad you calmly chipped in what you think went wrong or what could have been done better.

However that is not your style apparently. So be it. Just going to have to accept that if you want to yell and call people names and blame people, they might not want to follow your call next time they run into you.

I bet however if you dialed the anger and rage down over the comms and stopped calling people names, since barely anyone steps up to drop call anyways, you'd probably do a whole lot better. Not that you neccessarily have the knowledge, it is just any organization in pugland has a much higher success rate, even if it is bad.

Nope... I had to fix it for you cause you were wrong. If you are making a judgement about my "skills" or "ability" then you need to be able to actually back it up, otherwise it is nothing more than a baseless assertion which is all you managed to do. There is not time to coddle people in game... you are not a unique special snowflake, you are a Mechwarrior who is there to win. So follow movement and target commands, that way victory is achieved as a team.

Edit: I will move the pieces against you anytime you want and we will see who wins, cause I have been moving these pieces around the board for over 2 decades now.

Edited by I_AM_ZUUL, 12 April 2017 - 11:03 AM.

[PurplePuke]

I only have one thing to add to this "discussion."

Whenever I join a game and see I_AM_ZUUL on my team, I immediately MUTE him.

He has a very distasteful and disagreeable way of speaking to people, and there's no way I would ever listen to someone who behaves and speaks like he does in game.

Take that as you will.

[I_AM_ZUUL]

PurplePuke, on 12 April 2017 - 11:08 AM, said:

I only have one thing to add to this "discussion."

Whenever I join a game and see I_AM_ZUUL on my team, I immediately MUTE him.

He has a very distasteful and disagreeable way of speaking to people, and there's no way I would ever listen to someone who behaves and speaks like he does in game.

Take that as you will.

It is a common theme with really bad players who hide in the back and try to use the other 11 people as their NPCs while they try to farm their KDR... so it makes sense that you would mute me, lots if not all the regularly playing cancer pilots do.

[Khobai]

Its pretty sad that people in a teambased game are still trying to farm individual stats even at the expense of their team

I personally think KDR and most other individual stats should just be removed, its been nothing but detrimental since it was added

[Lorcryst NySell]

I'm still following this and learning things ... mostly that hate and vitriol and salt are "in" these days ...

But please, pretty please, could "you people" stop using that "cancer" word so often ?

My grandfather, stepfather and father died of cancer, and I just won the battle against it myself ... it hurts to see that word so often.

[Athom83]

PurplePuke, on 12 April 2017 - 11:08 AM, said:

I only have one thing to add to this "discussion."

Whenever I join a game and see I_AM_ZUUL on my team, I immediately MUTE him.

He has a very distasteful and disagreeable way of speaking to people, and there's no way I would ever listen to someone who behaves and speaks like he does in game.

Take that as you will.

A lot of detrimental players to a team keep muting everyone in the match or turns their chat off. They then whine that no one communicated the hole match, besides the fact that there were people on VIOP and/or text chat trying to coordinate the team. It also so happens that mostly applies to PUGs in assault mechs... my what a surprise aint it?

[ANOM O MECH]

I_AM_ZUUL, on 12 April 2017 - 10:43 AM, said:

Nope... I had to fix it for you cause you were wrong. If you are making a judgement about my "skills" or "ability" then you need to be able to actually back it up, otherwise it is nothing more than a baseless assertion which is all you managed to do. There is not time to coddle people in game... you are not a unique special snowflake, you are a Mechwarrior who is there to win. So follow movement and target commands, that way victory is achieved as a team.

Edit: I will move the pieces against you anytime you want and we will see who wins, cause I have been moving these pieces around the board for over 2 decades now.

That is funny. You have not backed up anything with any sort of proof such as a video or anything that backs up your claim, yet you want others to back it up on your terms. So you actually have no proof that I am wrong, and since it is my opinion based on the misfortune of having to be in a group with you, you can't tell me that my opinion is wrong.

Seems that there is more than enough people who feel that you are not pleasant to be in a drop with or listen to.

I may not be a snowflake, but I am also under no obligation to listen to you. You do not have anything that backs up your claim of moving pieces around the board. It is actually a bit disturbing that you seem to not recognize that those pieces are other people. People who don't like being called names when they don't agree with your barking at them.

So, you say my assertion that you are a bad drop caller is baseless, fine. It is my opinion based on what I have seen and the level of animosity you seem to be almost proud to display. That you have nothing to back up your claim, I don't feel my judgement is a particularly bad one.

[dario03]

PurplePuke, on 12 April 2017 - 11:08 AM, said:

I only have one thing to add to this "discussion."

Whenever I join a game and see I_AM_ZUUL on my team, I immediately MUTE him.

He has a very distasteful and disagreeable way of speaking to people, and there's no way I would ever listen to someone who behaves and speaks like he does in game.

Take that as you will.

Does the block feature not block voip? Seems like it would but I've never tried. Would be a lot easier than muting people every time they're in a match with you.

[TercieI]

dario03, on 12 April 2017 - 02:36 PM, said:

Does the block feature not block voip? Seems like it would but I've never tried. Would be a lot easier than muting people every time they're in a match with you.

It doesn't sadly.

[I_AM_ZUUL]

tker 669, on 12 April 2017 - 11:32 AM, said:

That is funny. You have not backed up anything with any sort of proof such as a video or anything that backs up your claim, yet you want others to back it up on your terms. So you actually have no proof that I am wrong, and since it is my opinion based on the misfortune of having to be in a group with you, you can't tell me that my opinion is wrong.

If you were actually listening to the words that were coming out of mouth as I was saying them... then you would realize that everything I am saying is true. I know those "pieces" are people, and I do not expend them recklessly... but I do expect them to be expended & I do not hold myself out from that. When I call for a saddle push on crimson when I am in an Assault... I am the first one over the ridge and expend my mech to make that maneuver work, then call the rest of it dead. I NEVER am hiding in the back using people like they are NPCs like the selfish meta cGuass/cERPPC players do, being the last one to die while racking up my individual scores. This is a TEAM based game and among the many of the problems with the Reward System is that fact that we should be rewarded as a team with slight variations based performance but the main thing should be the Win or Loss... Losing should never Reward someone cause they hid in the back the entire fight and got 4 vulture kills at the end but it does. Conversely, people who expend their pieces to make a maneuver work early in a match should not be penalized when they were responsible for the team winning but did not get a lot of Damage/Kill cause they were tanking damage that allowed the rest of the team to move to a superior winning position.

Edited by I_AM_ZUUL, 12 April 2017 - 03:18 PM.