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[Drunk Canuck]

Torso mounted ballistics on both Mad Dog's or riot!

But seriously, the biggest problem with the hero OmniMech's is pay walling unique and outright better pods. Not a big deal with Clan BattleMech's, but Omni's need a different treatment moving forward.

Edited by Drunk Canuck, 15 April 2017 - 12:34 PM.

[MovinTarget]

Drunk Canuck, on 15 April 2017 - 12:30 PM, said:

Torso mounted ballistics on both Mad Dog's or riot!

But seriously, the biggest problem with the hero OmniMech's is pay walling unique and outright better pods. Not a big deal with Clan BattleMech's, but Omni's need a different treatment moving forward.

Right perhaps instead of all omnipod hardpoints, some could be fixed, just like, I dunno, TT!

That way, if some combination of omnis is overwhelmingly OP it would really only be so on the hero which could be nerfed accordingly...

That or come up with "anti" set-of-eight nerfs to prevent OP combinations of Hero Omnipods with certain others...

The problem is that some people are perfectly ok with a paywall so you kind of have to take certain statements with a grain of salt that they could care less about "balance" (I still hate that word for this game)

Edited by MovinTarget, 15 April 2017 - 01:51 PM.

[Zarock]

Mcgral18, on 15 April 2017 - 09:36 AM, said:

Incorrect
There are objectively superior Robots and Weapons
isSLs counter nothing, they are Terribad

"Robots"
*TRIGGERED*

[Mcgral18]

Zarock, on 16 April 2017 - 12:30 PM, said:

"Robots"
*TRIGGERED*

Myth Lynx could also fall under Gundam classification

[Sniper09121986]

Zarock, on 16 April 2017 - 12:30 PM, said:

"Robots"
*TRIGGERED*

Kek, concerning mech design I do prefer Clan destroids and WoBbly http://www.sarna.net...elestial_series gundams, although my overall mech design favourite is, drumroll...

Spoiler

[Defensores 6]

Please rethink the cannon position on the Maddog. It should be at least eye level to the crew station or even a bit higher. Why bother with anything lower?

As for the Ice Ferret - haters are going to hate. It would be great to see a non-canon variant of the Storm Crow with jump jets and ECM - I would pay double for that.

Edited by Defensores 6, 17 April 2017 - 06:55 AM.

[Y E O N N E]

Mist Lynx G!

Oh yes, I am so ready for this...

[NocturnalBeast]

Argh, people, they are Mechs, BattleMechs or OmniMechs!

[Khan Felix Pryde]

While I would not have purchased the IFR knowing what I do now, I will not be asking for a refund purchase because I want to promote this kind of community response.

They were very right to offer a refund and we would be equally equitable in letting them keep the money. You still get the same mech, with the same capabilities, and it sends a good message.

Remember folks who don't make purchases in this game that you only play because those of us who do.

I would never sink more than 60$ in a game, but when I buy a pack I pay to keep the game producers paid, and all those who can and cannot afford to do the same playing.

I only mean that us that make purchases are on your side F2P players! I don't want this becoming a P2W game anymore than any of you.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Ravenlord, on 15 April 2017 - 11:07 AM, said:

So the cry babies got their way? Welp, saves me some money I guess.

Yeah, you can also save time by going away.

It sad to see so many people thing that Mech upgrades should be kept behind paywalls in a F2P game.

I wonder if this can be explained in a way that little school children can understand...

"So, PGI had decided to sell special versions of Mechs that can shoot gold bullets from their arms, but you have to buy those mechs with cash. Now, you could have taken that gold bullet arm off the special mech and put it on your normal mechs to upgrade them into normal mechs that can now shoot gold bullets.
"People didn't think that gold bullet mech parts should only be available for cash, so PGI decided to make normal mechs that can shoot gold bullets, too, and made them available to players without requiring cash."

People who complain about PGI's resolution can go play a game with cash-only premium ammo, and you better not complain about it. Have fun!

[Sniper09121986]

Defensores 6, on 17 April 2017 - 06:52 AM, said:

Please rethink the cannon position on the Maddog. It should be at least eye level to the crew station or even a bit higher. Why bother with anything lower?

As for the Ice Ferret - haters are going to hate. It would be great to see a non-canon variant of the Storm Crow with jump jets and ECM - I would pay double for that.

1. Totally agree, otherwise it would be DOA compared to Ebon Jaguar that we already have for cbills. Not like Mad Dog has much build diversity as it is.

2. Right, I just want ECM to be pod-mounted, like in previous hero version, only this time with a free version as well because I want it to be available to other Ferret variants to make them popular as well. As for Stormcrow, there are no jumpjet configs but the Society SCR-Z config does have Nova CEWS which does qualify as ECM (among other things).

[Grus]

I dont think I'm ok with the change to the IFR. Moving the ecm slot from a side torso that I never use anyways to the CT will hurt my 5spl build big time. If i get anear arm blown off I'm not dropping to 50% firepower. Now I will. Frankly the left and right torso's for my play stile are useless. This Mech was going to round out nicely and now it's going to gimp it.... thanks pgi...

[Grus]

I dont think I'm ok with the change to the IFR. Moving the ecm slot from a side torso that I never use anyways to the CT will hurt my 5spl build big time. If i get anear arm blown off I'm not dropping to 50% firepower. Now I will. Frankly the left and right torso's for my play stile are useless. This Mech was going to round out nicely and now it's going to gimp it.... thanks pgi...

I mean I was like; sweet finnaly I have a use for that torso slot! And now I have to remove firepower just to get ecm... when I already have radar derp for it... so now I have to change the playstyle of the Mech I paid money for with its original setup..

[Luscious Dan]

So buy an IFR-P with c-bills, get your ECM CT and a 1E RT pod for $0.

[Mcgral18]

Grus, on 18 April 2017 - 10:52 AM, said:

I dont think I'm ok with the change to the IFR. Moving the ecm slot from a side torso that I never use anyways to the CT will hurt my 5spl build big time. If i get anear arm blown off I'm not dropping to 50% firepower. Now I will. Frankly the left and right torso's for my play stile are useless. This Mech was going to round out nicely and now it's going to gimp it.... thanks pgi...

Good
You understand there needs to be a trade off
Although, really isn't one.

There's a ST Laser now, so your 5 SPL build remains the same, but you do sacrifice the 6th E hardpoint on the CT for a ECM hardpoint
A good trade off


Deal with it

[Sniper09121986]

Luscious Dan, on 18 April 2017 - 01:07 PM, said:

So buy an IFR-P with c-bills, get your ECM CT and a 1E RT pod for $0.

Either that or put ECM to RT and use the EXISTING energy hardpoint in CT on all non-Prime Ferrets, at least I would like it that way.

[Grus]

Mcgral18, on 18 April 2017 - 03:13 PM, said:

Good
You understand there needs to be a trade off
Although, really isn't one.

There's a ST Laser now, so your 5 SPL build remains the same, but you do sacrifice the 6th E hardpoint on the CT for a ECM hardpoint
A good trade off


Deal with it

Shouldn't have to. I payed for the first version of the Mech due to the layout it would have. I wouldn't rase a stink about it if this was a Cbills mech (free) make changes all you want pgi. Not with something I'm paying cash for. If it was THAT big of a deal with the original layout of the omni pods BEFORE they reviled them for us to buy (givin the possibility they play test these before release) why change it? I smell IS snowflakes crying because they think it's OP...

[MovinTarget]

Grus, on 20 April 2017 - 12:14 PM, said:

Shouldn't have to. I payed for the first version of the Mech due to the layout it would have. I wouldn't rase a stink about it if this was a Cbills mech (free) make changes all you want pgi. Not with something I'm paying cash for. If it was THAT big of a deal with the original layout of the omni pods BEFORE they reviled them for us to buy (givin the possibility they play test these before release) why change it? I smell IS snowflakes crying because they think it's OP...

Perhaps you weren't around when other heroes were OP... They are better off eating crow and giving refunds now than having them drop and have that paywall become real... they can always buff it more later if needed, but the rage for those who thought they were ensured a p2w mech (whether they would admit it or not) if they were to nerf it after would be salt-riddled pain...

[Mcgral18]

Grus, on 20 April 2017 - 12:14 PM, said:

Shouldn't have to. I payed for the first version of the Mech due to the layout it would have. I wouldn't rase a stink about it if this was a Cbills mech (free) make changes all you want pgi. Not with something I'm paying cash for. If it was THAT big of a deal with the original layout of the omni pods BEFORE they reviled them for us to buy (givin the possibility they play test these before release) why change it?

I'm gonna go ahead and note the KDK3 launched with GodQuirks


Their testing methods are highly suspect
The fact you paid cash does not allow you to have a superior robot, and it IS subject to the same rules any Cbill mech in terms of balance.

[Nelos Kniven]

Mcgral18, on 15 April 2017 - 09:36 AM, said:

Incorrect

There are objectively superior Robots and Weapons
isSLs counter nothing, they are Terribad


That is subject to change in the long term, but with PGI's balance history and rate of change...we've got a solid few months of whichever given superior item, to stay superior.


The game is not complex, at least not in the manner you say it is. It's Shooty Stompy Robots on the gameplay side, with movement and positions being the key points in deciding matches.

So what you are saying is that a HBK-IIC is stronger than the hero MDD? Tell me what is OP. Also, if you want to see a lack of complexity-go play MWLL

There is so much complexity in this game. The different loadouts on a mech. you can't just say "I want lots of lasers" You have to take into account armor range heat and all sorts of other stuff. Quirks need to be taken into account on all IS mechs, and on some clan mechs (IFR).

Basically, anyone saying this game is not complex, is saying I don't like this game. Unfortunately, for those saying that, this is my favorite game