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[H Seldon]

Was playing my Ultraviolet for a few months. After 414 matches have a 0.91 W/L, a 1.37 K/D and average 450.1 damage per match. I would sometimes go 18 matches before a win. I've been running a Boiler now for 414 matches. Have a 1.24 W/L, a 1.77 K/D and average 509.8 damage per match. And I haven't seen the long losing streaks. And I only solo drop.

So maybe change up the mech?

update

And then today I won 2 out of 12 matches and died all 12 matches and had 3 kills. So just depends on how lucky you are to get decent players.

Edited by H Seldon, 20 April 2017 - 02:04 PM.

[Dee Eight]

ingramli, on 20 April 2017 - 07:36 AM, said:

How many games i have to play before i can get the 2x xp bonus for the day, PGI?

At the time of day you posted this...and thus were playing until...that's not unusual. This is the prime east euro thru oceanic region player peak time and the current russian meta in particular seems to be stand in place or retreat backwards until out-maneuvered and decimated (its like 1941 all over again). Pay attention to the ping #s at the start of the match... if you're on the N.A. server and you see a lot of triple digit pings on your team...and double digits on the opposing team... WORRY. If you weren't aware of that, you cannot adjust your tactics for it.

Ironically...I start typing Operation into google and it instantly pops up barbarossa as a suggestion...

Edited by Dee Eight, 20 April 2017 - 09:40 AM.

[CFC Conky]

Op,

You might have just been paired up with inexperienced players. I played a few matches today where the Assaults would simply not push, it can be frustrating but it's just the way it is.

Good hunting,
CFC Conky

[Tarogato]

Heh, I had a four hour losing streak with my LBK-Prime yesterday, still working on getting it Mastered.

Every time effed up and died early, dropped another mech in another match... I won that match. Hopped back in my LBK-Prime, and back to losing. Was kinda funny... took me like two hours before I realised "holy crap, I've been trying to get my x2 on this mech for two hours... " and it just kept going.

[Mystere]

ingramli, on 20 April 2017 - 07:42 AM, said:

The game i had just now was domin, no one dare to stand inside the circle and the game ended peaceful with our defeat

It must have been a team of "snipers".

[Bulletsponge0]

Rampage, on 20 April 2017 - 08:50 AM, said:

Small groups can get a huge weight advantage against large groups in Group Quick Play. If they take advantage of it by taking Assaults and Heavies it can more than equal out against large groups.

Exactly. The other night, I was in a 6 man group, and we were paired with another 6 man group.... we were mostly mediums and lighter heavy mechs.... then i happened... we ran into a team that was made up of 3 4-man groups... they had 9 (nine!) assaults, all Marauder IIc's on their team....

[Y E O N N E]

Tarogato, on 20 April 2017 - 09:51 AM, said:

Heh, I had a four hour losing streak with my LBK-Prime yesterday, still working on getting it Mastered.

Every time effed up and died early, dropped another mech in another match... I won that match. Hopped back in my LBK-Prime, and back to losing. Was kinda funny... took me like two hours before I realised "holy crap, I've been trying to get my x2 on this mech for two hours... " and it just kept going.

^ Me and the Roughneck, right there. Also the Warhammer.

[MischiefSC]

Tarogato, on 20 April 2017 - 09:51 AM, said:

Heh, I had a four hour losing streak with my LBK-Prime yesterday, still working on getting it Mastered.

Every time effed up and died early, dropped another mech in another match... I won that match. Hopped back in my LBK-Prime, and back to losing. Was kinda funny... took me like two hours before I realised "holy crap, I've been trying to get my x2 on this mech for two hours... " and it just kept going.

I've never struggled with a mech like I do with the LBK. Better in a K2 ffs. It's just top fragile and what it can do gets done as good or better in 10 ton lighter mechs with better hitboxes.

[Tarogato]

MischiefSC, on 20 April 2017 - 11:36 AM, said:

I've never struggled with a mech like I do with the LBK. Better in a K2 ffs. It's just top fragile and what it can do gets done as good or better in 10 ton lighter mechs with better hitboxes.

Actually, two of my Linebackers are among my top performing heavies. It's a solid mech. I'm inclined to say loads better than a K2, but I've never played the K2.

The two builds are ERPPC on the Prime, and 6 MPL on another. I've found that the chassis falls apart into a million pieces if you try to brawl with it, though. It's just no good at close range, arms fall off in a stiff breeze, STs seem to be constructed of gallium-infused aluminium... but hey, as long as you play non-brawling loadouts, it's a great mech.

[MischiefSC]

Tarogato, on 20 April 2017 - 11:59 AM, said:

Actually, two of my Linebackers are among my top performing heavies. It's a solid mech. I'm inclined to say loads better than a K2, but I've never played the K2.

The two builds are ERPPC on the Prime, and 6 MPL on another. I've found that the chassis falls apart into a million pieces if you try to brawl with it, though. It's just no good at close range, arms fall off in a stiff breeze, STs seem to be constructed of gallium-infused aluminium... but hey, as long as you play non-brawling loadouts, it's a great mech.

I keep trying to use it as a hit and run mech but probably getting too close. I'll try the MPL build, that's one of my best TBR builds. The SPL and SRM builds... not so much on this one.

[JigglyMoobs]

ingramli, on 20 April 2017 - 07:42 AM, said:

The game i had just now was domin, no one dare to stand inside the circle and the game ended peaceful with our defeat

Sounds like Barak Obama was commanding your team.

[Zergling]

Dogstar, on 20 April 2017 - 08:44 AM, said:

With a straight 50/50 win chance it's possible to have very long streaks of wins or losses provided you play enough games. Frankly 8 wins/losses in a row is quite likely and the chance of larger streaks is not as low as you think it is.

Someone with maths skillz will have to work out the actual odds.

Just ask Wolfram Alpha; 1 in 256 odds.

There's more than enough people playing for there to be numerous people getting streaks like that, assuming 50% odds to win/lose.

Larger streaks are still likely to occur too, even with MWO's limited playerbase.

[Ruslan Savelyev]

ingramli, on 20 April 2017 - 07:36 AM, said:

How many games i have to play before i can get the 2x xp bonus for the day, PGI?

You have a near 1-1 w/l with slightly above average match score and kdr. Your purported loss streak, if it was actually 3 hours, is clearly an anomaly and not the result of Russian interference in the matchmaker.

[9thDeathscream]

H Seldon, on 20 April 2017 - 09:28 AM, said:

Was playing my Ultraviolet for a few months. After 414 matches have a 0.91 W/L, a 1.37 K/D and average 450.1 damage per match. I would sometimes go 18 matches before a win. I've been running a Boiler now for 414 matches. Have a 1.24 W/L, a 1.77 K/D and average 509.8 damage per match. And I haven't seen the long losing streaks. And I only solo drop.

So maybe change up the mech?

update

And then today I won 2 out of 12 matches and died all 12 matches and had 3 kills. So just depends on how lucky you are to get decent players.

This. Cant stress this enough. Spend all day coming top 2 on team and always loosing.

[DeeHawk]

Funny enough, I am having great games this time around (solo T2). Occasional stomps, sure, but a lot of even games, with my team often coming out on top. However I mostly play my Locust 1E and Ac2 King Crab, in which I have quite some experience.

I know it's been said over and over, but the only factor you are able to manipulate during a 12 vs 12, is the actions of the one player that is you. If you have nobody to lead and call targets, then you are supposed to be that guy. Will people always listen? Off course not, but most people will follow a conscious decision rather than keep peek shooting from a poor position. Getting trampled in a poor position is what lose most games.

Edited by DeeHawk, 20 April 2017 - 11:36 PM.

[Roadbuster]

I've been in the same situation numerous times. My worst losing streak ever were 27 losses in a row.
I had to take some breaks during that session to prevent my desk from taking serious damage from hitting it with my head.



Sometimes it really helps to switch the mech, but it's better to wait a few minutes before going into the next match.
That way you get different players and might have more luck (luck, because no skill level can save a team of potatoes from getting smashed).

Lately I've noticed more and more really new players in my matches. They "pilot" green mechs and clearly have not the slightest clue what they do. And I'm not talking about bad skill, because that would mean there actually is some skill.
I just wonder how these players end up in T1 matches.
Doesn't matter if it's solo queue or group queue either.

[SQW]

HOW?!

I have one mech for every class - Raven, Blackjack, Jager and Banshee - and I play all of them in a sitting. In 2 years, the longest losing streak I've had was 4/5 and the longest winning streak was 7. Solo QP only.

Was there anything you could have done better thinking back? Did your team get crushed because nobody was paying attention to the flanks? Did the entire team get lrm to death because nobody bothered to call UAV? Did your charlie lance get ambushed because nobody was scouting?

Someone should do a chat survey over 50 games and just ask everyone to report their tier in the lobby and see just how accurate IS MM once and for all.

[DeeHawk]

Roadbuster, on 20 April 2017 - 11:35 PM, said:

I just wonder how these players end up in T1 matches.
Doesn't matter if it's solo queue or group queue either.

You don't gain much skill and knowledge through T5, and T1-T4 get matched all the time.

Good tip holding the queue for a few minutes to get new players.

[JigglyMoobs]

Roadbuster, on 20 April 2017 - 11:35 PM, said:

I've been in the same situation numerous times. My worst losing streak ever were 27 losses in a row.
I had to take some breaks during that session to prevent my desk from taking serious damage from hitting it with my head.



Sometimes it really helps to switch the mech, but it's better to wait a few minutes before going into the next match.
That way you get different players and might have more luck (luck, because no skill level can save a team of potatoes from getting smashed).

Lately I've noticed more and more really new players in my matches. They "pilot" green mechs and clearly have not the slightest clue what they do. And I'm not talking about bad skill, because that would mean there actually is some skill.
I just wonder how these players end up in T1 matches.
Doesn't matter if it's solo queue or group queue either.

That is impressive.

(1/2)^27 = 1/134,217,728

[Roadbuster]

SQW, on 20 April 2017 - 11:57 PM, said:

HOW?!

Was there anything you could have done better thinking back? Did your team get crushed because nobody was paying attention to the flanks? Did the entire team get lrm to death because nobody bothered to call UAV? Did your charlie lance get ambushed because nobody was scouting?

Kinda everything you listed. In one match it was LRMs and no UAVs shot down, another time the team tried to trade with a team of Gauss+PPC snipers, or our team of snipers got rolled by a team of brawlers, then there were bad calls, split up team,...
Some matches were just total rolls, ending 12:0-12:2, others were close, but still losses.
Hell, I've warned my team (in voicechat) that there's a UAV ahead at least 3 times before they moved right under it, wondering why they suddenly get destroyed by LRMs.

The problem is, after some time you kinda lose your cool and want to carry harder and harder to win. But there's a limit to what a single mech can achieve without support. So you start making mistakes and contribute less than you could, making winning even harder.