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[BlueFlames]

Ted Wayz, on 23 April 2017 - 05:04 PM, said:

And I thought the goal was to have fun.

I thought your thread was about how awesome your LRMneck build is supposed to be.

[Zergling]

Kangarad, on 23 April 2017 - 05:46 PM, said:

and to prove that I know what I am talking about...

have this inferior mech with inferior weapon setup and way too low ammo count out do your pathetic 300 matchscore.
since you only too your lurm boats out once or twice total this once should be enough to compare.

BJ-2(L) 4xsrm4, 5 tons of ammo. = 553 matchscore and 725 damage.

Are we comparing epeen lengths? Because mine's bigger!!!

[Ted Wayz]

Zergling, on 23 April 2017 - 05:09 PM, said:

You're already bringing out the 'I play for fun' excuse when it isn't even relevant?

I'll put it simply: achieving a higher match score than other players in a single battle does not make you immune to criticism. You need to consistently score high for your results to speak for themself, and for them to grant that sort of immunity to criticism.

Immunity from criticism in a game.

Does that add perspective?

BlueFlames, on 23 April 2017 - 06:07 PM, said:

I thought your thread was about how awesome your LRMneck build is supposed to be.

Oh but it is. A humble mech that has elicited this much attention must be awesome.

Funny though, using the term aewsome when the Awesome is not so much. Kind of ironic. For years.

Edited by Ted Wayz, 23 April 2017 - 07:56 PM.

[Ted Wayz]

Ruar, on 23 April 2017 - 05:42 PM, said:

Pretty sure I was in that match as well in an Assassin. I don't remember anyone blaming your LRM Roughneck for the loss, simply that piloting an LRM Roughneck was a bad choice and you shouldn't do it again.

I know I did pretty crappy on that match myself but the whole team did. We split around the center instead of staying together, failed to engage their clusters of mechs which allowed them to pick us apart individually. It was one of a string of matches where I saw similar things happening in my teams so I eventually did an end run around their folks on the high ground which resulted in my death.

The point, because you have obviously missed it in both the game chat and on this thread, is that just because you can mount LRMs in a Roughneck doesn't make such a setup a good idea. The Roughneck is not designed for rear line support and anyone who uses it in such a manner is playing it less efficiently than other builds. Don't get upset when your teammates call you out on the fact that you are playing a bad build.

Scores usually reflect the overall team performance for most mechs. An LRM boat generally has a baseline it scores with a few matches higher and a few matches lower. It doesn't reflect team performance as much because most LRM boats are for the individual, not the team. Please don't brag about your score when you are playing a mech that only benefits you and not the actual team objectives in most matches.

You weren't in that match.

I can play the game too.

Oh, the team didn't split around the center as you say. The other team took the left side and crested while our team turtled on top. Not being dumb I went over the edge and used the high hardpoints and a lobster shell to rain down the enemy doing something the direct fire l33ts couldn't do while cowering...damage.

The lobster shell protected me from direct fire. Eventually I left the shell and engaged at 200-300M kiting left to right and back, focusing on assisting engaged targets. But it didn't matter, it seemed I was the only one focus firing and l33ts, like the one liking many of these posts, were long dead having contributed nothing.

Lie..I mean try harder.

One question though, how disappointed were you when you discovered you misspelled Roar?

[MischiefSC]

I was going to see if I'd screenshot any of my 900+ damage with the roughneck and saw this.

Look at the left. Then look at the loadout.

WTF WHY. WHY GOD WHY. I spectated this in QP.

[Destructicus]

It's almost like the CPLT-A1 doesn't exist but ok

[Ruar]

Ted Wayz, on 23 April 2017 - 08:06 PM, said:

You weren't in that match.

I can play the game too.

Oh, the team didn't split around the center as you say. The other team took the left side and crested while our team turtled on top. Not being dumb I went over the edge and used the high hardpoints and a lobster shell to rain down the enemy doing something the direct fire l33ts couldn't do while cowering...damage.

The lobster shell protected me from direct fire. Eventually I left the shell and engaged at 200-300M kiting left to right and back, focusing on assisting engaged targets. But it didn't matter, it seemed I was the only one focus firing and l33ts, like the one liking many of these posts, were long dead having contributed nothing.

Lie..I mean try harder.

One question though, how disappointed were you when you discovered you misspelled Roar?

Just odd timing then. I had made a comment about someone using an LRM roughneck in a bog match a few minutes before you posted.

As for the rest, whatever helps you feel like you are being a team player and such. If none of the posts in this thread have changed your mind then nothing will. Bad will remain bad I reckon.

And I spelled this name this way on purpose. However, it's nice to see you making a personal dig instead of staying focused on the game discussion. Very classy.

[Bishop Steiner]

MischiefSC, on 23 April 2017 - 08:07 PM, said:

I was going to see if I'd screenshot any of my 900+ damage with the roughneck and saw this.

Look at the left. Then look at the loadout.

WTF WHY. WHY GOD WHY. I spectated this in QP.

which sterling genius put that build together?

[Deathlike]

Bishop Steiner, on 23 April 2017 - 08:38 PM, said:

which sterling genius put that build together?

I dunno, stuff like this is a regular thing in the solo queue.

[Carl Vickers]

MischiefSC, on 23 April 2017 - 08:07 PM, said:

I was going to see if I'd screenshot any of my 900+ damage with the roughneck and saw this.

Look at the left. Then look at the loadout.

WTF WHY. WHY GOD WHY. I spectated this in QP.

Has cool shot too, he must be heating that DW up a lot, firing those 6 MP for all of 2 minutes by the time he actually waddles his fat *** into battle.

[Volthorne]

Bishop Steiner, on 23 April 2017 - 08:38 PM, said:

which sterling genius put that build together?

I mean... judging by this thread? There's a few potential candidates that spring to mind, and a few that (surprisingly) haven't shown up here. Yet.

[jjm1]

Bishop Steiner, on 23 April 2017 - 08:38 PM, said:

which sterling genius put that build together?

You don't do QP potato builds?

Bringing a brick to a gunfight and still winning is the tastiest part of the potato bake that is QP these days.

Edited by jjm1, 23 April 2017 - 09:12 PM.

[Carl Vickers]

jjm1, on 23 April 2017 - 09:11 PM, said:

You don't do QP potato builds?

Bringing a brick to a gunfight and still winning is the tastiest part of the potato bake that is QP these days.

Is that an admission it was you in that DW?

Edited by Carl Vickers, 23 April 2017 - 09:26 PM.

[Zergling]

Ted Wayz, on 23 April 2017 - 07:56 PM, said:

Immunity from criticism in a game.

Does that add perspective?

Cut the crap. You are the one claiming immunity from criticism from those with lower match scores in your OP.

[The6thMessenger]

JackalBeast, on 23 April 2017 - 02:57 PM, said:

No, actually you don't man.

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Responding to another player who has violated the Code of Conduct is not an acceptable excuse for violating the Code of Conduct yourself.

Now someone is gonna tell me I violated the CoC by posting this lol.

Would have been valid, if we are harrassing and or defaming him and or insulting him, or being toxic about him. Or at least others were.

I was criticizing him, constructively even, along with some advices on builds, which is far from the ToC violation you make it up to be. I tried my best to explain to him why Average match score is valid point of criticism. I tried to point out that his builds were bad, and is evident on his match score.

But okay, given the benefit of the doubt, here are my responses so far. Please tell me how each violates the ToC? cause based on the points you provided, i sure as hell can't see anything wrong with my responses.

The6thMessenger, on 23 April 2017 - 02:50 PM, said:

We would have been a lot nicer, if he's not acting like someone who can't do anything wrong.

But hey, I get better average match score than him, just as many others. We get to criticize him.

The6thMessenger, on 23 April 2017 - 03:48 AM, said:

Well, on this season (season 10), you still did 153 Average Match Score on Heavies only. I did 283 Average Match Score on Heavies. El Bandito did 360 Average Match Score.

BTW don't arm your King Crab like that, no wonder you plummeted at 170 average match score with that bad build. 000's best trait is the arm weapons it can load, it doesn't have much hardpoints on the torso for a good energy centric build or missile centric build. If you want SRMs on 000, there's not a lot of hard-points to go around, that it sucks at stripping armor.

Well you can load 2x LRM20As, and/or 2x LLs / LPLs / ERLLs, but you can fire 3x LLs w/o ghost heat, and 4x LRM40As are actually better due to tighter spread, and shorter cooldown. Not to mention the quirks

If you're after moar torso weapons, use other variants. KGC Lurm-Boat - 4x LRM10A + 3x LL + TAG, 15 DHS, mind you though, Assaults like King Crab are powerful LRM boats but not as effective cause they are very very slow. Being able to reposition quickly is one of the key traits required for an effective LRM boat, that which assaults generally lack.

In my experience, Timber Wolf, is the best LRM boat there is.



Do we really need to explain you the concept of "average", and why it's valid?

The6thMessenger, on 23 April 2017 - 04:12 AM, said:

Mean is a kind of "average", numnuts. But okay, let's call it "Mean", now what?

You're still left with a horrid about 170 of "mean match score", which indicates that you have widely inconsistent games, if you are having good games of about above 250 match score at all. If your mean match score is that low, yet you have match scores say 600 that pulls the "mean match score" down to 170, that means you have overwhelmingly more games where you did badly, than games than games that you did quite well.

Even if i gave you a theoretical 800 to 1200 match score, if your "mean match score" is only 170, that means the other games are even worse if it was able to pull your "mean match score" to 170. It ain't pretty to look at any other way.

Okay, what about some maths yeah?

If your mean match score is 170, at around 10 games. The sum should have been at a total of 1700 match score. Lets say that one game you did 600 match score, now the remaining 9 games you have a total of 1100 match score, and thus on the other 9 games you must've did 122.2222222222222 each.

Supposed that at the same amount of 1700 total match score of 10 games, you did 500 match score at 2 games, that means the other 8, you got 87.5 match score each.

Likewise if you did 250 match score on 5 games, leaving 450 on the remaining 5 games, you must've did 90 each.

and on, and on, and on.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 23 April 2017 - 09:36 PM.

[Kin3ticX]

MischiefSC, on 23 April 2017 - 08:07 PM, said:

I was going to see if I'd screenshot any of my 900+ damage with the roughneck and saw this.

Look at the left. Then look at the loadout.

WTF WHY. WHY GOD WHY. I spectated this in QP.

You guys are soo intolerant!


Some people dont conform to the conventional idea that a 100 ton mech should have the firepower of an actual 100 ton mech. That mech also has 8 tons of jump jets which make it extra agile so it can zip in and out of battle per tabletop/sarna rules.

Did you consider this mech is fairly heat neutral for people that find heat bars problematic? Some people dont want to have to deal with things like heat management as they just want to have fun. They dont have to be winning to be having FUN BTW. I ran that build in MechWarrior 2 and it was super good BTW! L2P

Maybe they dont want to fight anyone maybe they just want to make friends in the chat hud?

You people make me sick, such elitists doing nothing but judging everyone else.

BTW. You spectated that in quickplay because you are dead and really salty that this player had the map awareness and tactics to remain alive!

Edited by Kin3ticX, 23 April 2017 - 10:16 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

jjm1, on 23 April 2017 - 09:11 PM, said:

You don't do QP potato builds?

Bringing a brick to a gunfight and still winning is the tastiest part of the potato bake that is QP these days.

I QP Potato Chassis.... but generally try to find a way to make that chassis as effective as it can be. Why take a Decent to Good Mech and intentionally make it bad, when I can take a bad mech and shine it up instead?

I'd rather run a Vindicator than that abomination of a DWF any day of the week.

One method is challenging oneself, the other is just mentally challenged.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 23 April 2017 - 10:11 PM.

[Erronius]

Not gonna lie: the head mounted energy hardpoints on the -1A and -1B threw me a bit. I did make an LRM Roughneck out of one, with TAG, MGs I think but essentially a boat, and took it into testing grounds. Fired at a mech...fired again...fired again...fired again...fired again...

...then I realized that the target would already have been dead twice over with different loadouts, and I just quit the match and stripped the LRMs off.

I don't really hate LRMs, and if you can use them effectively then more power to you. But I'm not sure what OP expected with this thread...it's almost like going to a protest on the Berkley campus wearing Realtree camo and your MAGA hat and then being surprised when a group of 20-something bluehair SJWs start throwing bricks at you.

[Erronius]

Kin3ticX, on 23 April 2017 - 10:06 PM, said:

You guys are soo intolerant!


Some people dont conform to the conventional idea that a 100 ton mech should have the firepower of an actual 100 ton mech. That mech also has 8 tons of jump jets which make it extra agile so it can zip in and out of battle per tabletop/sarna rules.

Did you consider this mech is fairly heat neutral for people that find heat bars problematic? Some people dont want to have to deal with things like heat management as they just want to have fun. They dont have to be winning to be having FUN BTW.

Maybe they dont want to fight anyone maybe they just want to make friends in the chat hud?

You people make me sick, such elitists doing nothing but judging everyone else.

BTW. You spectated that in quickplay because you are dead and really salty that this player had the map awareness and tactics to remain alive!

It doesn't matter what you want to be...if you were born as an assault mech, then you're an assault mech. You don't get to decide what kind of mech you want to be. Sometimes I kind of wish that I was a 105 ton Land-Air quad-legged SRM-sniper build with a C3, solar-powered cockpit mounted bagel toaster (with a good schmear) and reflective armor...but that's not how this works.


EDIT: oh God I'm crying now...why am I a Locust...why?!?

Edited by Erronius, 23 April 2017 - 10:20 PM.

[jjm1]

Carl Vickers, on 23 April 2017 - 09:25 PM, said:

Is that an admission it was you in that DW?

nah. mine was like 10 med lasers or something.

I also played with quad LPLs + meds etc for maximum poke and run DWF ninja tactics.

It naturally evolved out of my distaste for its weaksauce rainbow builds and getting bored of the standard ballistic meta.