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[Deathlike]

Ruar, on 23 April 2017 - 12:51 PM, said:

Whoever thinks high mounted hardpoints + TAG makes a mech a good LRM boat needs to reevaluate their understanding of armor, armor quirks, and potential for brawling being >>> the ability to throw some LRMs downrange.

Ironically LRM missile placement is mostly irrelevant. What actually matters is arm articulation with the occasional high mounted TAG (the things Awesomes and Hunchbacks use).

[Ruar]

Deathlike, on 23 April 2017 - 01:09 PM, said:

Ironically LRM missile placement is mostly irrelevant. What actually matters is arm articulation with the occasional high mounted TAG (the things Awesomes and Hunchbacks use).

If only TAG use was rewarded to the point it would offset the loss of damage from another weapon then other mechs would be encouraged to use TAG and mechs with high mounted energy point wouldn't be corrupted into LRM boats.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Ruar, on 23 April 2017 - 12:51 PM, said:

Whoever thinks high mounted hardpoints + TAG makes a mech a good LRM boat needs to reevaluate their understanding of armor, armor quirks, and potential for brawling being >>> the ability to throw some LRMs downrange.

Having the potential for something does not detract from other potentials. It's not like having high mounts makes it worse for LRMs. In fact, having high mounts lends it to be a standoff mech more than a brawler. And in terms of armor, it has as much as or more armor than any other 65 tonner, so you cannot count that against a LRM Roughneck. You don't need to be within 270m of the enemy to use your armor. Most LrM builds work best between 200-500 meters in support of the brawl. The LRM Roughneck can fire missiles at targets that it hasn't even caught up with yet to add firepower to the guys who have gotten within LOS already.

Admit it, you are only mad at LRM Roughnecks because you hate those rear-line warriors. This is not a thread about being a rear-line warrior or a brawl warrior. It's about if you actually fight and generate wins for your team. Ted's w/l ratio was, what 1.2 or somehing? Go complain when he is dragging his teams down instead of winning more than losing.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 23 April 2017 - 01:22 PM.

[Ruar]

Prosperity Park, on 23 April 2017 - 01:21 PM, said:

Having the potential for something does not detract from other potentials. It's not like having high mounts makes it worse for LRMs. In fact, having high mounts lends it to be a standoff mech more than a brawler. And in terms of armor, it has as much as or more armor than any other 65 tonner, so you cannot count that against a LRM Roughneck. You don't need to be within 270m of the enemy to use your armor. Most LrM builds work best between 200-500 meters in support of the brawl. The LRM Roughneck can fire missiles at targets that it hasn't even caught up with yet to add firepower to the guys who have gotten within LOS already.

Admit it, you are only mad at LRM Roughnecks because you hate those rear-line warriors. This is not a thread about being a rear-line warrior or a brawl warrior. It's about if you actually fight and generate wins for your team. Ted's w/l ratio was, what 1.2 or somehing? Go complain when he is dragging his teams down instead of winning more than losing.

I'm not mad at all. I just recognize that putting LRMs on the Roughneck is a less effective option then using those slots for SRMs and exploiting the armor quirks to maximum efficiency.

I can fight just fine between 200-500m with my SRMs and AC/LB builds. And I do it while having more effect on the battle than someone slinging LRMs in the same mech. My build also works on every map while the LRM builds are hit and miss on map selection.

The Trebuchet, Kintaro, Catapult, and Archer should really be the only choices someone makes when wanting to sling LRMs. The Catapult is arguably better with SRMs and lasers but at least it can effectively use LRMs if you guild that route.

Oh, and my 1C build? 1.5 W/L with a 4.25 K/D ratio.

Edited by Ruar, 23 April 2017 - 01:31 PM.

[Alexander of Macedon]

Prosperity Park, on 23 April 2017 - 01:21 PM, said:

Having the potential for something does not detract from other potentials. It's not like having high mounts makes it worse for LRMs. In fact, having high mounts lends it to be a standoff mech more than a brawler. And in terms of armor, it has as much as or more armor than any other 65 tonner, so you cannot count that against a LRM Roughneck. You don't need to be within 270m of the enemy to use your armor. Most LrM builds work best between 200-500 meters in support of the brawl. The LRM Roughneck can fire missiles at targets that it hasn't even caught up with yet to add firepower to the guys who have gotten within LOS already.

Admit it, you are only mad at LRM Roughnecks because you hate those rear-line warriors. This is not a thread about being a rear-line warrior or a brawl warrior. It's about if you actually fight and generate wins for your team. Ted's w/l ratio was, what 1.2 or somehing? Go complain when he is dragging his teams down instead of winning more than losing.

Yeah. Like I said earlier, if you filter for heavies only, his W/L and K/D are in the dumpster. They're being propped up by his performances in other weight classes.

[Coolant]

why assume any of us care why or how you run your roughneck? take what you want and have fun with it. if you are upset about what someone said, then turn off VOIP and chat.

[Jackal Noble]

Guys, this borderline name and shame, so chill out a bit alright?

[Ruar]

JackalBeast, on 23 April 2017 - 01:45 PM, said:

Guys, this borderline name and shame, so chill out a bit alright?

It's sad when holding someone accountable for their actions is somehow viewed as a negative action. He came on here and opened himself up to criticism, don't start crying when people then provide that criticism.

[Mister Blastman]

JackalBeast, on 23 April 2017 - 01:45 PM, said:

Guys, this borderline name and shame, so chill out a bit alright?

So he can talk smack and is immune to criticism? That's not how the world works.

[Zergling]

Prosperity Park, on 23 April 2017 - 12:26 PM, said:

Yeah, Ted should have said "you can complain when you are winning more than me" because he's winning more than you are.

Not in heavies; he only has a 0.76 W/L with those for Season 10.

JackalBeast, on 23 April 2017 - 01:45 PM, said:

Guys, this borderline name and shame, so chill out a bit alright?

Yeah no, he bought it on himself.

Edited by Zergling, 23 April 2017 - 02:05 PM.

[Jackal Noble]

That's not what I said. I said by continuing to belittle a player to prove a point via their in game stats, you're veering very close to violating the coc. Besides its kinda dickish.

I get arguing over the merit of using lrm on a roughneck in OPs original post, and that he even went as far to challenge others by extolling his in game viability.

Flat bizarre, really.
I guess it's more of a thing that I don't think it's cool to take a snapshot of one's stats and purvey them in a negative context. I've seen on that type of behavior on here, and think its pretty lame.

Edited by JackalBeast, 23 April 2017 - 02:47 PM.

[The6thMessenger]

JackalBeast, on 23 April 2017 - 02:45 PM, said:

That's not what I said. I said by continuing to belittle a player to prove a point via their in game stats, you're veering very close to violating the coc. Besides its kinda dickish.

I get arguing over the merit of using lrm on a roughneck in OPs original post, and that he even went as far to challenge others by extolling his in game viability.

Flat bizarre, really.
I guess it's more of a thing that I don't think it's cool to take a snapshot of one's stats and purvey them in a negative context. I've seen on that type of behavior on here, and think its pretty lame.

Ted Wayz, on 22 April 2017 - 07:25 PM, said:

YOU CAN CRITICIZE MY LRM ROUGHNECK

When you get a higher match score than me.

Which many of you haven't been doing.

So maybe focus on your own builds and find another boogeyman to blame the loss on?

We would have been a lot nicer, if he's not acting like someone who can't do anything wrong.

But hey, I get better average match score than him, just as many others. We get to criticize him.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 23 April 2017 - 02:50 PM.

[Ruar]

JackalBeast, on 23 April 2017 - 02:45 PM, said:

That's not what I said. I said by continuing to belittle a player to prove a point via their in game stats, you're veering very close to violating the coc. Besides its kinda dickish.

I get arguing over the merit of using lrm on a roughneck in OPs original post, and that he even went as far to challenge others by extolling his in game viability.

Flat bizarre, really.
I guess it's more of a thing that I don't think it's cool to take a snapshot of one's stats and purvey them in a negative context. I've seen on that type of behavior on here, and think its pretty lame.

To be fair, the OPs criteria was better performance so he meant for people to pull his stats for comparison. It would be different he had used some other means of defining when criticism could be provided.

[Jackal Noble]

The6thMessenger, on 23 April 2017 - 02:50 PM, said:

We would have been a lot nicer, if he's not acting like someone who can't do anything wrong.

But hey, I get better average match score than him, just as many others. We get to criticize him.

No, actually you don't man.

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Now someone is gonna tell me I violated the CoC by posting this lol.

Edited by JackalBeast, 23 April 2017 - 02:56 PM.

[Ruar]

JackalBeast, on 23 April 2017 - 02:55 PM, said:

No, actually you don't man.

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So umm... which one of those is this thread violating? Because I don't see it.

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Guys all I am saying is that there are less negative ways to go about illuminating the masses as to how his assertions are incorrect. Man, I am really trying to be a Dewey Dogooderson here eh?

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JackalBeast, on 23 April 2017 - 02:57 PM, said:

No, actually you don't man.

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Now someone is gonna tell me I violated the CoC by posting this lol.

Just a simple question: how many years have you been alive on this Earth?

[Jackal Noble]

Ruar, on 23 April 2017 - 02:57 PM, said:

So umm... which one of those is this thread violating? Because I don't see it.

Engaging in intimidation tactics or aggravation of other individuals or groups of individuals.

[Ruar]

JackalBeast, on 23 April 2017 - 02:59 PM, said:

Guys all I am saying is that there are less negative ways to go about illuminating the masses as to how his assertions are incorrect. Man, I am really trying to be a Dewey Dogooderson here eh?

The OP was negative to begin with. He was belligerent in his opinions and has continued to be belligerent throughout the thread. The responses have been specifically focused on the OPs arguments.

I honestly can't understand why you would try to imply the replies in this thread violate the forum ROE.

JackalBeast, on 23 April 2017 - 03:00 PM, said:

Engaging in intimidation tactics or aggravation of other individuals or groups of individuals.

You're aggravating me right now because you don't agree with me.

[Jackal Noble]

Mister Blastman, on 23 April 2017 - 03:00 PM, said:

Just a simple question: how many years have you been alive on this Earth?

If you are insinuating that I am pulling some kind of SJW crap, you're wrong. Hell, I have been on the wrong side of things more than right in this forum, but flaming someone with what in effect becomes a group activity is still lame.

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