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[JC Daxion]

https://www.newegg.c...82E16814126172R


so trolling PCG site i stumbled across this epic Case mod, and it got me thinking about a vid card again. http://www.pcgamer.c...r-trek-shuttle/

I decided to look up exactly how old my vid card is, and i guess i had it longer than i thought. I did buy it for my old comp, but i built a new one not long after and swapped cards. So while my I5 3350 was built in 2014, the card i got i think 1 1/2 years prior. According to wiki the card launched in 2011 so we are talking a 6 year old card.

Trying to do a little research on numbers its kind of hard as the comparisons just never go back even a few years let alone 5+. Honestly i don't have issues playing now, outside of random occasions i'll get a dip. But i recall when i did my previous upgrade it made hitting lights far easier. I do notice from time to time that lights will warp in the game. But i just don't know if that is my system/card even with the frame rates staying up, or it is some sorta Lag/server delay.

I don't have a ton of money and i'd really like to put off the card for a while, But this card could be mine for about 150.. which perhaps i could swing. I always use nivida/asus products for over 10 years now and with zero issue with them i'll stick with it.

This is basically the only game that would get any kinda bonus from a new card. My other main gaming that runs into comp issues are strat games, and vid card is no help, only a large CPU upgrade would help them. But i do wonder if the light warping is an effect of my card, or something else.

So what do you folks think, Is this card going to up my game, or should i just hold off a bit longer?

[Ghogiel]

1050ti would probably be an ok decent pairing with that CPU. It's a budget card but it's not bad, but a 1060 6GB would be more the sweet spot.

considering whatever you are running is 6 years old and that the latest GPUs that have come out all pretty much crap from a great hieght on GPUs that old, you old card would have to be an enthusiast model to out perform a modern budget card. So unless it's a ~580 GTX it will be an upgrade. But since you haven't stated what your current GPU is no one can say how much an improvement there would be.

[JC Daxion]

thought i did.. It is a TI 550

[Jackal Noble]

no
NO GOD NO
GODS NO DO NOT GET A 1050!

1060 6gb hands down, best budget card available for this generation of cards.

ok well I did see the TI has 4 gb, so there is that.

[Ghogiel]

JackalBeast, on 25 April 2017 - 12:35 PM, said:

1060 6gb hands down, best budget card available for this generation of cards.

If the OP had double the budget he could get a 1060 6GB Asus card. https://www.newegg.c...N82E16814126122

But I get the feeling he doesn't have the bones for that.

[Jackal Noble]

After looking at it some more and seeing the price, it's not bad. I've bought a few parts for my pc of Newegg and they came fine, despite what I've read. They have changed in what type of product they offer ever since getting majority share bought out last year by another company in China (lots of trinkets, home living crap etc.).

That said, I've never bought an open box off NE so can vouch for that, but have read positive reviews regarding it.

If you are really set on spending sub $200, do yourself a favor and get the 1060 3gb then (ewww), it is a better card.
The 1050 is like some sort of aborted fetus that came back to life in the form of an aborted fetus. Yes i meant that.
It's redundant.

Here this should make it clear:
http://gpu.userbench...0-Ti/3646vs3649

[Jackal Noble]

Ghogiel, on 25 April 2017 - 12:47 PM, said:

If the OP had double the budget he could get a 1060 6GB Asus card. https://www.newegg.c...N82E16814126122

But I get the feeling he doesn't have the bones for that.

Right, I get that. Sales happen quite a bit, and I've been seeing the 6gb on NE and elsewhere go for ~230-250.

[Ghogiel]

JackalBeast, on 25 April 2017 - 12:47 PM, said:

After looking at it some more and seeing the price, it's not bad. I've bought a few parts for my pc of Newegg and they came fine, despite what I've read. They have changed in what type of product they offer ever since getting majority share bought out last year by another company in China (lots of trinkets, home living crap etc.).

That said, I've never bought an open box off NE so can vouch for that, but have read positive reviews regarding it.

If you are really set on spending sub $200, do yourself a favor and get the 1060 3gb then (ewww), it is a better card.
The 1050 is like some sort of aborted fetus that came back to life in the form of an aborted fetus. Yes i meant that.
It's redundant.

Here this should make it clear:
http://gpu.userbench...0-Ti/3646vs3649

lol even with a 1050TI this is what his upgrade would look like XD

http://gpu.userbench...0-Ti/3161vs3649

[Jackal Noble]

Never thought to compare the 6gb to the 3gb:
honestly the 6gb (I have) is better but really only marginally than the 3gb, which surprises me, even though it probably should not.

http://gpu.userbench...-3GB/3639vs3646

well at least until the VRAM starts getting gobbled up, than it matters lol.

Ghogiel, on 25 April 2017 - 12:53 PM, said:

lol even with a 1050TI this is what his upgrade would look like XD

http://gpu.userbench...0-Ti/3161vs3649

whoa. alrighty then.

[JC Daxion]

Ghogiel, on 25 April 2017 - 12:47 PM, said:

If the OP had double the budget he could get a 1060 6GB Asus card. https://www.newegg.c...N82E16814126122

But I get the feeling he doesn't have the bones for that.

Thanks for the site link, That is exactly the kinda info i needed! You guys rock!


If i did go with something like that, i would have to wait a few months, aka save more. The good news is i am laid up right now, so i don't have to buy gas for my car. (Don't leave your house for a month, but get to upgrade your vid card..).

What peaked my interest was the whole 135 dollar price tag. As far as open box, Asus/nivida is fantastic with their CS, so i know if i had an issue with them i could just send it in and get either fixed or a refurbished one back. But typically newegg is good with any issues, even if you have to jump through some phone call hoops.


My TI 550 has 1 gig ram, so It should be a nice upgrade in that area. I know with out a doubt it will help me on my HUGE map civ V games. It won't improve my turn time, but it will help keep the whole map loaded into ram, instead of getting Grey spots on areas you haven't clicked on in a while. So really Only Civ V and this are the two games that the card would help with but future games perhaps. I know i'll be getting Star Citizen when it lauches, so it does make me wonder if it would be a good option in that. Id like to use the card for at least 4 years.

But really the biggest issue, Will this help with the light warping, or is that not my issue? I can deal with lower visual settings a while longer.. I really wanted to wait till next December when i am a bit more solvent.



BTW that site i was able to input my chip, that TI 1050 card should double my FPS with my chip, and when i upgrade my CPU in a few years would push the FPS another 50%, (says 50 FPS with my chip, 80 FPS with a good I7, so in a few years it could be another 200 dollar upgrade for a nice gain.)

Edited by JC Daxion, 25 April 2017 - 02:25 PM.

[Ghogiel]

warping might be due to FPS dips because your GPU is long past it's sell by date, or the 1GB vram filling up and then paging, which does cause a stutter, which would be an area the GPU would solve. You would have to monitor all that to really know what is going on.

However actual warping? things marching in place, then you teleport to a new position? As in not a hanging or stutter kind of thing, I would say it would more like a network related issue and not GPU. First thing to do would be use an ethernet cable and not wifi, that may sort out any warping right there. (I have to use cable myself as wifi makes me warp every 5-10secs in MWO even if pingtest looks fine with no jitter)
If there are still issues with warping, tracert mwos game server, there should be an IP address for it somewhere, But if it's not happening on every server it's probably not your routing, but it wouldn't hurt to see what is going on there. So while still on the ethernet cable just check if any nodes time out or look slow af.

[JC Daxion]

Yea i'm hard wired already. The warping is not all the time either. It doesn't look like it is walking in place either, they are typically moving forward but then jump ahead about 5-10m. Its typically a fast light that does it to. It makes me wonder if it is the card, but at the same time it does make me think it is server side. I have great ping, typically in the mid 20's and is stable, so i don't think it is a issue on my side. But i do see people in matches with 350+, and in a light, it makes me think it could be server issues. But as you said, my card is older, so possibly something happens where the thing has to jump ahead? i just don't know. Like perhaps the card stutters a sec and seeing the mech is what moved most, everything else is stable, it is where i notice it? Up close fighting too, like brawling a light can be hard, while the frames seam smooth, it also feels like the mech is moving faster than it really is.

Maybe i should just watch prices, early summer typically has nice sales as they wanna move stock for the late summer tech rush.

[Ghogiel]

if everything jumps ahead then would say whole scene is skipping to a later frame. But it's not you that is warping? it's just one or 2 other mechs and not everything/all mechs? well nothing you are going to be able to do will fix that as I would expect that to be a server issue. But.. with such an old GPU, that was budget even before MWO came out... I wouldn't be at all surprised it's GPU releated.

[KekistanWillRiseAgain]

I think you are looking to upgrade the wrong way... getting the bottom tier of the newest generation is not what I would advise at all for "budget" concerns. Get a used high end card from the previous generation... I got my 780ti sc when the 9xx series came out and now that the 1080ti has been released I will be getting a used 1080 because of the price to performance ratio is better. I included a couple of links to ebay (2 nVidia & 1 ASUS) as an example of what you can get in the $120 price range, they can be used in SLI and are better cards overall. The 1050ti/1060 look comparable to a 980 in performance but that is not the full picture... they get those gains by having their clocks run much higher, whereas a 980 will provide much higher overclock potential meaning that its slight inherent performance advantage is even more pronounced in real world application.

http://www.ebay.com/...FwAAOSwtZJY~vJb

http://www.ebay.com/...gsAAOSwSypY-YT3

http://www.ebay.com/...WAAAOSwRUhY9Mnv

edit: also you might want to look into upgrading to an i7 Sandy Bridge instead of your i5 Sandy Bridge... MWO is a very CPU dependent title and having the extra threads to handle background processes allows the main cores to handle the ridiculous amount of Draw Calls that MWO using the CryEngine makes. You GPU is old but your CPU is also not well equipped to handle the strain that the game engine unnecessarily puts on it.

Edited by KekistanWillRiseAgain, 25 April 2017 - 08:44 PM.

[LT. HARDCASE]

The Ti goes after the numbers, you savage.

I also wouldn't buy any less than a GTX 1060 3GB, because the performance gulf, between it and the 1050 Ti, is massive.

[KekistanWillRiseAgain]

LT. HARDCASE, on 25 April 2017 - 08:52 PM, said:

The Ti goes after the numbers, you savage.

I also wouldn't buy any less than a GTX 1060 3GB, because the performance gulf, between it and the 1050 Ti, is massive.

a used 980 is still way better and cheaper than a 1060 6GB (cause going 3gb is a terrible idea since games are becoming even more VRAM hogs), to the point where 4GB is about the minimum required cause even MWO will eat all 3GB and become a bottleneck once you start getting to high framerates. My 780ti sc will max out the 3GB VRAM but i keep it locked at 60fps because I only have a 60htz monitor, which prevents teleporting Lights from too many frames produced to what can be shown and frame loss from excessive VRAM usage causing stuttering.

[Vxheous]

Telling him to buy a GTX 1060 6GB to pair with a Ivy Bridge i5 3350 is a terrible idea. The 3350 is going to bottleneck it, and he would be wasting money.

[KekistanWillRiseAgain]

Vxheous Kerensky, on 25 April 2017 - 10:52 PM, said:

Telling him to buy a GTX 1060 6GB to pair with a Ivy Bridge i5 3350 is a terrible idea. The 3350 is going to bottleneck it, and he would be wasting money.

an i5 is not going to "bottleneck" a 1060... that is crazy person talk

[LordNothing]

its probibly going to be an improvement over my 750ti, so i will probibly get one when i build my next rig this fall. but dont get one because mwo. mwo is an antique game engine and will always run sub-optimal on newer hardware.

[Peter2k]

really really get a 1060
or a used/reduced 980 if you can


personally having a lot of fun with my 1060

Vxheous Kerensky, on 25 April 2017 - 10:52 PM, said:

Telling him to buy a GTX 1060 6GB to pair with a Ivy Bridge i5 3350 is a terrible idea. The 3350 is going to bottleneck it, and he would be wasting money.

well no not really

aside from MWO there are not many games being so heavy on the CPU, maybe battlefield in multiplayer
but if he doesn't chase high fps gaming and hopes to get 144fps on a 144hz display then the i5 will be fine

a lot of people still play with sandy bridge, or hell bulldozer

Edited by Peter2k, 26 April 2017 - 01:24 AM.