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[Bud Crue]

OK PGI, what's going on...

Earlier the links to the "final" quirk PDFs were unavailable. Now they are working again.
Did you guys go in and change things? I would swear that during the actual PTS the quirk changes for some mechs that I have been paying particular attention to are now listed with different values.

Fess up. Is this in prep for another PTS or are the changes for the live values?

[Marius Romanis]

Bud Crue, on 12 May 2017 - 08:23 AM, said:

OK PGI, what's going on...

Earlier the links to the "final" quirk PDFs were unavailable. Now they are working again.
Did you guys go in and change things? I would swear that during the actual PTS the quirk changes for some mechs that I have been paying particular attention to are now listed with different values.

Fess up. Is this in prep for another PTS or are the changes for the live values?

PGI reply is

[Mycroft000]

So I guess I'm selling a boatload of modules....I'm quite disappointed.

[Marius Romanis]

mycroft000, on 12 May 2017 - 11:43 PM, said:

So I guess I'm selling a boatload of modules....I'm quite disappointed.

Except you might get the same amount of cbills as you would if you dont and just less gsp.. read my other posts explaining.

[Mycroft000]

CadoAzazel, on 13 May 2017 - 04:01 AM, said:

Except you might get the same amount of cbills as you would if you dont and just less gsp.. read my other posts explaining.

I have spent 726,000,000 on modules, I'm currently slated to get 54,000,000 in module refunds for those I've picked up after 12/03/16. I don't need nearly 15k GSP. Once patch notes drop and it is truly completely confirmed that we will not be getting any choice of GSP or C-Bills, I'll be selling as many of the modules as I can remember purchasing before 12/03 because screw the GSP it's nearly useless. I already have 87/91 nodes picked out on virtually every mech I own.

[MovinTarget]

mycroft000, on 13 May 2017 - 06:44 AM, said:

I have spent 726,000,000 on modules, I'm currently slated to get 54,000,000 in module refunds for those I've picked up after 12/03/16. I don't need nearly 15k GSP. Once patch notes drop and it is truly completely confirmed that we will not be getting any choice of GSP or C-Bills, I'll be selling as many of the modules as I can remember purchasing before 12/03 because screw the GSP it's nearly useless. I already have 87/91 nodes picked out on virtually every mech I own.

Patch notes for which they are conspicously late....

[Mycroft000]

MovinTarget, on 13 May 2017 - 07:53 AM, said:

Patch notes for which they are conspicously late....

They did say(on twitter) yesterday that the patch notes would be Monday. That said, I do wish they'd give some comment ahead of time on module refunds because I have dozens and dozens to sell before Tuesday if the existing plan is adhered to.

[YakkSlapper]

no, no, NO! NO ! NO!!!!!!!! stop changing what works and FIX WHAT DONT!!!!!!!!!!!!! I CALL B.S. to this! no more $$ for MWO from me ever again, what u buy isnt safe anymore, how its "played' is no longer how it was wich WORKED! dont care who in the company dont like it, but YOUR SCREWING THING UP ONCE AGAIN!!!!!!!!!

[Korak18]

Correct me if my Math is wrong but...according to my calculations it will cost under the new skill tree...72,800XP and 4,095,000 CBills to elite a Mech VS the old way of 57,250 XP only...grind away mechgrinders...and PGI gives alot less CBills and XP after almost every patch for the last few years...sneaky ..sneaky. You could always buy your way to the top...ooohhh wait ....

[Marius Romanis]

mycroft000, on 13 May 2017 - 06:44 AM, said:

I have spent 726,000,000 on modules, I'm currently slated to get 54,000,000 in module refunds for those I've picked up after 12/03/16. I don't need nearly 15k GSP. Once patch notes drop and it is truly completely confirmed that we will not be getting any choice of GSP or C-Bills, I'll be selling as many of the modules as I can remember purchasing before 12/03 because screw the GSP it's nearly useless. I already have 87/91 nodes picked out on virtually every mech I own.

Your not understanding, unless you sell EVERY MODULE, pre and post dec 3rd you will still get GSP. the post 3rd modules will become the pre 3rd modules coz #pgiprogramming theirs no point remembering what you bought pre 3rd if you bought more of that module post 3rd.

Korak18, on 14 May 2017 - 02:01 PM, said:

Correct me if my Math is wrong but...according to my calculations it will cost under the new skill tree...72,800XP and 4,095,000 CBills to elite a Mech VS the old way of 57,250 XP only...grind away mechgrinders...and PGI gives alot less CBills and XP after almost every patch for the last few years...sneaky ..sneaky. You could always buy your way to the top...ooohhh wait ....

Your math is wrong, before you needed 3 mechs, now you only need 1, is the cost of leveling 1 after skill tree more or less than buying and leveling 3 pre skill tree ?

Edited by CadoAzazel, 14 May 2017 - 07:46 PM.

[Kaptain]

Have not played in a long time but a buddy told me I need to read up on this so here I am. I've read the OP a few times and while I will wait for patch notes tomorrow I'd like to double check my understanding here a bit more with you guys and gals.

Pertinent account details:
I have something like 80 or 90 mechs
I don't have any duplicate variants
Nearly all of my mechs are mastered
I do NOT like using GXP to "master" mechs
My favorites have an excess of XP, some with 2 or 3 hundred thousand extra xp
I have all inner sphere modules/skills unlocked
Nearly all of my mechs have a full compliment of modules
I have a large pool of GXP
I have maybe 10 million C-bills (Engines/modules are expensive)

As best I can tell I would be best served by selling my modules? Unless I plan to purchase several additional "skill nodes" above and beyond the 91 available to each of my master mechs?

Case example.
-Founders Atlas Mastered with 300,000+ extra experience.

As I understand I will receive 91 "skill nodes" for its mastery status plus a pool of 300,000+ "Mech XP" that (using C-Bills) I could use to purchase additional skill nodes. While I have the "Mech XP" I would also require a C-Bill investment into purchasing those nodes correct?

As I understand I have 2 choices. I can sell my modules to flush out my C-Bill account or I can let them "convert" into "general skill points" to be used to purchase additional "skill nodes" beyond the 91 that all of my mechs will get for conversion of their mastery status. Is this a correct understanding?

EDIT: And as I have a large stock of both mech XP and general XP it would make more sense to sell my modules to acquire C-bills as that is what I am lacking and there is no shortage of "skill nodes" or mech/general experience should I want more than the 91 nodes received from previous mastery status?

Edited by Kaptain, 15 May 2017 - 03:01 PM.

[Marius Romanis]

Everything you have said it pretty much correct.

"Nearly all of my mechs have a full compliment of modules,"

As long as it was all before dec 3rd, for 80 mechs I would sell AT LEAST half your modules total value, if you bought modules after dec 3rd your stuck in limbo waiting for patch notes (which wont explain anything) hoping they will explain if their game can cope with selling pre dec modules and not think incorrectly your selling post dec 3rd modules

"I have all inner sphere modules/skills unlocked"

All that gxp you spent on that is going to be refunded to you

"I do NOT like using GXP to "master" mechs"

Well now you do, because theyre is no other use for it with the removal or pilot skills, and by using it before the patch goes live you will save a small amount of xp and a LOT of cbills by using it up mastering mechs now.

The excess xp on your favorite mechs is going to be renamed HXP and sit there till the end of time.

Edited by CadoAzazel, 15 May 2017 - 02:52 AM.

[Korak18]

CadoAzazel, on 14 May 2017 - 07:45 PM, said:

Your not understanding, unless you sell EVERY MODULE, pre and post dec 3rd you will still get GSP. the post 3rd modules will become the pre 3rd modules coz #pgiprogramming theirs no point remembering what you bought pre 3rd if you bought more of that module post 3rd.



Your math is wrong, before you needed 3 mechs, now you only need 1, is the cost of leveling 1 after skill tree more or less than buying and leveling 3 pre skill tree ?

Ummmm, my Math is probably right since it is based on a per Mech Basis. Who are you to say I want (need) only 1 variant of a Chassis and in this case my costs go up greatly..compared to the old system..grind away peeps

[Sarsaparilla Kid]

CadoAzazel, on 14 May 2017 - 07:45 PM, said:

Your math is wrong, before you needed 3 mechs, now you only need 1, is the cost of leveling 1 after skill tree more or less than buying and leveling 3 pre skill tree ?

In the case of need, true, you can just go with one mech per chassis...but most people that like a particular chassis are probably going to get at least 2 or 3 to try out the different hardpoint configurations, which is especially true of fixed hardpoint mechs (IS or Clan IIC) where you can't swap hardpoints like the Clan omnimechs...so in the case of a new IS pilot purchasing 3 Grasshoppers for FW, he will have to grind more in the new system than he would have under the old.

[Marius Romanis]

Less than 5 of the 50? battlemech chassis in the game have 3+ good variants.grasshopper had 2(yeah you might want 3 of them in a deck understood), god knows what it will be like after patch.

[Sonny Black]

[Mycroft000]

CadoAzazel, on 14 May 2017 - 07:45 PM, said:

Your not understanding, unless you sell EVERY MODULE, pre and post dec 3rd you will still get GSP. the post 3rd modules will become the pre 3rd modules coz #pgiprogramming theirs no point remembering what you bought pre 3rd if you bought more of that module post 3rd.



Your math is wrong, before you needed 3 mechs, now you only need 1, is the cost of leveling 1 after skill tree more or less than buying and leveling 3 pre skill tree ?

I don't mind getting SOME gsp, just not so much that I can never use it all.

[Kaptain]

CadoAzazel, on 15 May 2017 - 02:40 AM, said:

Everything you have said it pretty much correct.

Thank you! I thought I had a pretty good understanding but having someone double check your work, when you spent countless hours acquiring imaginary resources, is reassuring.

CadoAzazel, on 15 May 2017 - 02:40 AM, said:

The excess xp on your favorite mechs is going to be renamed HXP and sit there till the end of time.

But as it can be converted into mech XP for free/"no cost" it could be used to unlock additional skill nodes (with the addition of C-bills) correct?

[Mycroft000]

Are we getting patch notes?

[Marius Romanis]

Kaptain, on 15 May 2017 - 03:04 PM, said:

But as it can be converted into mech XP for free/"no cost" it could be used to unlock additional skill nodes (with the addition of C-bills) correct?

yes