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[Marius Romanis]

https://mwomercs.com...-lies-continue/

Please explain how december 3rd and february 8th are the same day.

[Jaybles-The-PegLeg-PotatoCaptain]

Just logged into the PTS.

I'm getting 29,823 GSP points from modules. That's enough to put 91 points on 327 mechs. I only own 257 mechs of which 75% are mastered out. Someone please explain to me how this is even remotely fair or useful? Someone please?

[MovinTarget]

Jaybles, on 25 April 2017 - 03:16 PM, said:

Just logged into the PTS.

I'm getting 29,823 GSP points from modules. That's enough to put 91 points on 327 mechs. I only own 257 mechs of which 75% are mastered out. Someone please explain to me how this is even remotely fair or useful? Someone please?

Its simple:

1- buy 327 mechbays
2 - buy 327 mechs you don't own or would like doubles/triples/quintuples
3- install master 327 mechs!
4 - profit?


Sorry i just have to laugh b/c i am in a similar boat... 36k+ in GSP and most of my 280+ mechs are mastered, the rest are elited so i will barely need any of it initially unless i want inlock all rational nodes beyond the base 91...

I appreciate that they are trying find a balance in the refind mechanism and the reality is that no one approach is going to work for everyone...

Because conversely, i am not sure 1.6 billion cbills are really useful either... that is a stupid amount of money...

Edited by MovinTarget, 25 April 2017 - 03:39 PM.

[Navid A1]

Listen here PGI.

I went on a module buying spree after you introduced this new PTS. After you clearly said that all the Cbills I was spending will be refunded AS CBILLS!!!!!

But now you are converting all that billion+ cbills to a new skill point currency?... a currency that I'm already getting for each of my mastered mechs?

So I'll be sitting on 30000 (yes... more than thirty thousand) skill points I can't use?
(because my mastered mechs will be getting their own full 91 skill points through mech skill refund)


WHAT THE HELL PGI?!?!?!?!?!?
I'm done with this S***!

InnerSphereNews, on 25 April 2017 - 11:35 AM, said:

Modules purchased after December 3rd 2016 - the date of the original Skill Tree announcement at Mech_Con - are being refunded in the form of C-Bills. Earlier posts referencing the original structure of the Module refund outlined in the February 8th PTS post, such as the December Roadmap, were updated in February as a result of that post.

Modules purchased prior to December 3rd 2016 are being refunded in the form of General Skill Points (GSP), which can be consumed to unlock Skill Nodes for any 'Mech you wish.

Please note that the original date provided in this post for the Module cutoff was February 8th 2017. We have adjusted the date to December 3rd 2016 to better accommodate some of our prior messaging regarding the Module refunds.

Ok, so that at least covers about a billion cbills.

I'm still being shafted for the 900 Million I spent before December... I I still won't be able to use that mountain of GSP on anything since I already mastered most of what I have...


gg PGI... gg

Edited by Navid A1, 25 April 2017 - 04:03 PM.

[Winther]

I think It is way too easy for new/bad players to make bad skill point choices and make the game even harder for themselves. Less opportunity for this via (far)less nodes would be much better. Even for average-to-good players this is going to be somewhat (expensive to experiment with) trial and error.

I am also for sure sad that I will not get refunds for things equal to what

[MovinTarget]

Navid A1, on 25 April 2017 - 03:32 PM, said:

Listen here PGI.

I went on a module buying spree after you introduced this new PTS. After you clearly said that all the Cbills I was spending will be refunded AS CBILLS!!!!!

But now you are converting all that billion+ cbills to a new skill point currency?... a currency that I'm already getting for each of my mastered mechs?

So I'll be sitting on 30000 (yes... more than thirty thousand) skill points I can't use?
(because my mastered mechs will be getting their own full 91 skill points through mech skill refund)


WHAT THE HELL PGI?!?!?!?!?!?
I'm done with this S***!

I suppose they could offer us options as to how we take our refund (gsp, cbill, or 50/50?), but then someone will misunderstand, screw it up and it will a new crapstorm...

Edited by MovinTarget, 25 April 2017 - 03:43 PM.

[Cato Zilks]

Shevek Anarres, on 25 April 2017 - 03:44 PM, said:

No, I just want my cbills returned

[process]

I'm grateful that they'll be preserving my mech masteries, which is more than I was advocating for, but all the units, menus, and conversions make my eyes bleed, and overall this system still misses a lot of the valid issues that were previously identified.

[AnTi90d]

1.) Quirks are still being removed = a big F.U. to a lot of underperforming mechs propped up by current quirks, as well as Clan VS IS balance.

2.) Respecs still have a cost = a big F.U. to competitive teams that change their loadouts, regularly, and anyone that likes to play with different builds when they get bored.

3.) Skill Tree is still a confusing blob, requiring thousands of clicks to spec a few dozen mechs = a big F.U. to our mice, fingers, wrists and time while also scaring off new players and casuals that will be intimidated by this overly complex system.

4.) Up to 5 consumables per mech = a big F.U. to the playability and relative fun levels of any MWO match. "Oh, yay, nonstop artillery and airstrikes going off for the entire match," said no one, ever.


PGI still hasn't fixed the flaws inherent with their core Skill Tree system.

This Skill Tree is still going to cause a great deal of frustration for the current playerbase, screw balance to heck and back, nerf the life out of a lot of underperforming mechs, cause new players to be intimidated / pick up another game.. all while solving no real issues with the current build of MWO.

[Navid A1]

MovinTarget, on 25 April 2017 - 03:43 PM, said:

I suppose they could offer us options as to how we take our refund (gsp, cbill, or 50/50?), but then someone will misunderstand, screw it up and it will a new crapstorm...

Right now... I have the "option" to dump my whole bank account on buying glue... If I do that, I and only I am responsible for the mess... I had the option... I messed it up.

or...

Right now, I have the option to go broke in MWO by selling and buying mech chassis' multiple times... If I do... then F* me... I had the option not to mess up

AnTi90d, on 25 April 2017 - 03:49 PM, said:

2.) Respecs still have a cost = a big F.U. to competitive teams that change their loadouts, regularly, and anyone that likes to play with different builds when they get bored.

Can't agree more

[exiledangel]

[color=#3073F3]Modules purchased prior to December 3rd 2016 are being refunded in the form of General Skill Points (GSP), which can be consumed to unlock Skill Nodes for any 'Mech you wish.[/color]
so instead of getting c-bill back for my modules I bought 3 year ago I am getting GSP for them. WTF there gos 600 million C-bill I was exicted for.

[MovinTarget]

Not going to get worked up over the loss of quirks on the pts... it sound like the cries are sufficient that pgi would be shooting itself in the foot if they introduced it on live...

I will try oit the pts and see how mechs fair... that is what it is for... its a jumping-off-point for testing?

[McHoshi]

suffocater, on 25 April 2017 - 01:44 PM, said:

...

Meaning: survival skilltree is still the first you max out, than you see what you have left.

...

Good! More Damage to farm for us.

[exiledangel]

just logged on to the PTS and I have enough GSP to master 565 mechs total. I only own 101 mechs

[Wibbledtodeath]

OK. System for refund is more fair. An improvement on current skill system (which lets face it is BROKEN- with 1 of the veery few options completely non functional), and an improvement on prev PTS.

I do worry about nerfing offensive quirks in underperforming mechs- hope you have some other secrets up your sleeves pgi re this one (I the intent to direct them away from offense, and into scouting/consumable roles????- if so that needs reinforcement in game rewards to be economically viable for those pilots). It has always been my policy to buy and evaluate according to tonnage/engine capacity/hardponts as all else tends to change- so I am not gutted by this, but some people may be (and I must admit, I DID make the mistake of buying a Huggin in my early days and felt the burn when it got a nerf-lesson learned: Trust not in quirks & PGI).

Still not sure agility tree isn't making breaking/stopping worse, not better. Will need to test more accurately when have time.

Also- the refund for modules is clearly not working properly in PTS at the moment- I have only a fraction of the modules own listed and refunded in C-Bills (but listed as owned in XP refund).

On the right track PGI- just a few fixes needed.

Edited by Wibbledtodeath, 25 April 2017 - 07:32 PM.

[AlphaPrime42]

Okay PGI,

First, once I figured out how the GSP works and all that I was very impressed. I am getting more then enough GSP plus the GSP I already have for my mastered mechs back which is very good.

Second, the tree itself will need more refining over time. Yes it does still have some problems with it's lay out. In this I mean it can be confusing figuring what you may or may not need. New players are gonna have a rough time with this and I think a guide or tutorial should be implemented. I get you want a non-linear tree and well I mean lets be honest, you can't always get what you want and to be fair I do like that this tree reduces cooldown greatly for all weapons. Certain weapons don't have the quicker cooldowns as they did before so hopefully this goes towards increasing time to kill (Which I have wanted for a long time now!).

Third, please don't cave PGI to all the comments that are negative for negative sake. Also please listen to actual positive or negative criticism that is written constructively.

At this point this is all I have to say because I really want the new tree in the game. Lately the game has started to get very stale for me. I need some new stuff like this tree to change the pace of things.

[-Ramrod-]

After dickin' around in the mechlab I only have one thing to say....this is gonna screw up the game. I hate to sound like a whiner (because I usually do) but this whole thing seems sloppy. And I have about 4353054943 ways to unlock SP's...of which I only need 1 and my 700,000,000 C-Bills worth of modules returned to me. As I've said all along, the current skill system is fine and not broken. Could maybe add or subtract something but it works. It's worked for 5 years...why change this core mechanic NOW?

[Wanderer of the Mists]

So being my First PST and the first time with the skill tree ill make my honest opinion.

For the skill and mod conversions I feel that its fine to me i have no problems with it at least.

the skill tree could use some pruning mainly the weapons tree. Like what was previously stated combine the skills that are the same and give them a number of points to put into it then it could branch off to the weapons trees. as was stated it makes me want to boat one type over using multiple types. Again as stated by others and from trying two different builds on the roughneck and timberwolf and my timby died in like 30 seconds and my roughneck just tanked like an atlas. And heat seems greater then before all and all more of a learning curve. My only real concern is that with how complicated the current skill tree is new players might be intimidated by it, which could drive away new players.

All and all I'm excited by this just wish it was less complex.

[BlueWizi]

Kael Posavatz, on 25 April 2017 - 01:16 PM, said:

is there any particular reason why the crab/king crab don't benefit from open/closing their claws?

They do benefit. Having claws/missle bay doors closed provides 10% extra armor to the location, but obviously has the drawback of making you fire slower.

[sierra gulf]

Navid A1, on 25 April 2017 - 03:32 PM, said:

Ok, so that at least covers about a billion cbills.

I'm still being shafted for the 900 Million I spent before December... I I still won't be able to use that mountain of GSP on anything since I already mastered most of what I have...


gg PGI... gg

From my understanding, having already mastered a mech only provides you with enough HSP to unlock the 91 nodes required to "master" it under the new system. You can use the GSP to unlock additional nodes to reduce the xp cost of trying some different combinations.