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[Felicitatem Parco]

Many Mechs were dequirked, as the quirks were rolled into the base stats.

However, I am not able to find how Mechs that were dequirked for offensive capabilities were compensated for the removal of *those* quirks.

Were more armor points given to Mechs that lost offensive quirks? How are they being kept in balance?

[Andi Nagasia]

many Mechs that had Structure Quirks are keeping them, to insure Shape Balance,
many Mechs that had Agility Quirks lost them, but those are being rolled into Base Mech Agility(Engine Decupling)
many Mechs that have Weapon Quirks that lost them did only lose them, but they will be Compensated by Clan Nerf,

in this case most Clan Mechs lost Quirks as well even the MLX and SHC lost their Missile Spread Quirks,
the ACH SCR TBR NTG, have lost a good bit of agility bringing them down some and more on an IS level,
also some Skills benefit, IS makes out with -15% duration(Clan -10%) and better Cooldown as well,

Edited by Andi Nagasia, 25 April 2017 - 09:01 PM.

[Kaeb Odellas]

Andi Nagasia, on 25 April 2017 - 08:58 PM, said:

many Mechs that had Structure Quirks are keeping them, to insure Shape Balance,
many Mechs that had Agility Quirks lost them, but those are being rolled into Base Mech Agility(Engine Decupling)
many Mechs that have Weapon Quirks that lost them did only lose them, but they will be Compensated by Clan Nerf,

in this case most Clan Mechs lost Quirks as well even the MLX and SHC lost their Missile Spread Quirks,
the ACH SCR TBR NTG, have lost a good bit of agility bringing them down some and more on an IS level,
also some Skills benefit, IS makes out with -15% duration(Clan -10%) and better Cooldown as well,

It's a 2 percentage point difference between the IS and Clan cooldowns, and getting that requires massive investment in the firepower tree.

The issue here is that many mechs are losing big on weapon quirks, and these mechs had quirks for a damn good reason. Mechs that were powerful by design didn't need quirks and thus didn't get them. These mechs are only benefiting from the new skill tree. The gap between the best and the rest is going to get bigger, and that's bad.

[Andi Nagasia]

Kaeb Odellas, on 25 April 2017 - 09:16 PM, said:

It's a 2 percentage point difference between the IS and Clan cooldowns, and getting that requires massive investment in the firepower tree.

The issue here is that many mechs are losing big on weapon quirks, and these mechs had quirks for a damn good reason. Mechs that were powerful by design didn't need quirks and thus didn't get them. These mechs are only benefiting from the new skill tree. The gap between the best and the rest is going to get bigger, and that's bad.

then you didnt fully read what i posted,

Andi Nagasia, on 25 April 2017 - 08:58 PM, said:

the ACH SCR TBR NTG, have lost a good bit of agility bringing them down some and more on an IS level,

only time and testing will tell if this will be enough, it very possible that more changes will come later as well,
and yes Agility does matter over Offensive capabilities a good deal of the time(See DWF)

Edited by Andi Nagasia, 25 April 2017 - 09:23 PM.

[ForceUser]

It's in preparation for the new civil war tech coming in a couple of months.

[Kaeb Odellas]

Andi Nagasia, on 25 April 2017 - 09:22 PM, said:

then you didnt fully read what i posted,

only time and testing will tell if this will be enough, it very possible that more changes will come later as well,
and yes Agility does matter over Offensive capabilities a good deal of the time(See DWF)

Where does it say all those mechs were nerfed? The TBR and SCR certainly, since they were over-engined for their weight, but the ACH and NTG?

And the biggest issues with the DWF are its low top speed and lack of twist angle. To my knowledge, none of the mechs you mentioned hace been nerfed in those aspects.

[Andi Nagasia]

Kaeb Odellas, on 25 April 2017 - 09:43 PM, said:

Where does it say all those mechs were nerfed? The TBR and SCR certainly, since they were over-engined for their weight, but the ACH and NTG?

And the biggest issues with the DWF are its low top speed and lack of twist angle. To my knowledge, none of the mechs you mentioned hace been nerfed in those aspects.

well the ACH has a 240XL, but with the Decuppling it has an (Engine to tonnage 6.5) 6.5*30(Tonnage) is 195,
so the ACH will have the Agility of a 30Ton mech with a 195Engine(the KFX also has a 6.5 Ratio(+15Rating/Agility)
so yes the ACH is getting Nerfed, in Agility, so there you go, but only time will tell how things will work,
(see Gas Guzzler's Topic on this to see how things will soon Feel)