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#61 Bishop Steiner

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Posted 28 April 2017 - 05:32 PM

View PostPariah Devalis, on 28 April 2017 - 05:13 PM, said:

Cougar Gallery
http://imgur.com/a/eYEFZ

Uziel Gallery
http://imgur.com/a/qCOa6

Annihilator Gallery
http://imgur.com/a/lbQ2f

MKII Gallery
http://imgur.com/a/KNl00

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gotta admit the Cougar came out way better than the concept art led me to expect.

I think part of my issue with the Uziel is the torso is way to far forward on the legs for balance, it's very off center. Add in the odd hip protectors and the the squareness of the cockpit shields, when the rest of the mech is rounded, and it just falls short for me.

While I agree that the gauss need to be flipped on the MkII, I actually like how it's looking, a lot.

Anni would be perfect, visually, except someone pulled an Enforcer on the head and way screwed up the canopy dimensions.

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Posted 28 April 2017 - 05:37 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 28 April 2017 - 05:32 PM, said:

gotta admit the Cougar came out way better than the concept art led me to expect.

I think part of my issue with the Uziel is the torso is way to far forward on the legs for balance, it's very off center. Add in the odd hip protectors and the the squareness of the cockpit shields, when the rest of the mech is rounded, and it just falls short for me.

While I agree that the gauss need to be flipped on the MkII, I actually like how it's looking, a lot.

Anni would be perfect, visually, except someone pulled an Enforcer on the head and way screwed up the canopy dimensions.


Keep in mind, these are also T-Poses. It might be more in line, CG wise, on the Uziel once in its more relaxed stance.

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Posted 28 April 2017 - 05:43 PM

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Oh baby, those Cougar ballistic mounts are just so perfect for making it a Clan Hollander! I am gonna put a 12 ton Clan Gauss on it, and have some fun... except it is the Hero variant. Well played, PGI.

Edited by El Bandito, 28 April 2017 - 05:47 PM.


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Posted 28 April 2017 - 05:47 PM

The Cougar is all friggen side torso, man, I can't expect to keep those arms for long, I mean barring quirks it is 28+16 HP for the ST's which is 44 HP. Good thing I plan on running JJ's in there instead of weapons so don't have to worry about equipment getting crit out.

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Posted 28 April 2017 - 05:58 PM

View PostPariah Devalis, on 28 April 2017 - 05:37 PM, said:


Keep in mind, these are also T-Poses. It might be more in line, CG wise, on the Uziel once in its more relaxed stance.

not the pose I'm referring to.

It's the actual leg design, etc.

#66 MischiefSC

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Posted 28 April 2017 - 06:22 PM

View PostI_AM_ZUUL, on 28 April 2017 - 04:48 PM, said:


1. x2 cERPPC/cGauss= Low Hardpoint is pointless to talk about
2. PPFLD do not really use "shield arms" since they are not brawling or even mid-range
3. RACs are a DPS weapon meaning way more facetime to use and at closer range, therefore the IS XL is going to get it slaughtered especially in the face of Engine Decoupling
4. The height of the weapons from the ground is irrelevant when talking about hill humping which is the entire point we are discussing, so the substantially lower torso height in comparison is makes it important
5 Correct on the speed.

Basically you are wrong about everything you failed to correct about my statement while bringing up even more ways it is OP that I did not even get to... just agree with me so that you are not wrong all the time, it is much simpler.


I feel like this conversation where you say stuff that's totally wrong, I correct you and you double down comes up a lot.

When you trade, be that with PPFLD or lasers or anything, you want to shield yourself from return fire. At any/all range. It's why torso mounts are better.

You can fit 5 RAC5s on an Annihilator with a STD 260 and just about enough ammo and a tiny bit of armor stripping. With 4 RAC5s you could do an LFE 300 and plenty of ammo. Who said anything about ISXL?

Height from the ground is NOT irrelevant because it determines what ground level cover you can, and can not, shoot over. Same reason the Mauler is better than the King Crab in most situations, better weapon clearance. Sure, not at cockpit height but still good. Same reason the KDK 3 is better (even if all other tech was the same), clearance. There's a lot of situations where the higher position of the KDKs ballistics are better for shooting over cover, not just hill humping.

In terms of hill-humping there is no comparison because the MK2 has JJs. However at 90 tons it could run 3 peeps and a gauss with JJs. Depends where the locked components are. Is it going to be worth the 15 tons greater cost than the Night Gyr? Due to PGIs patented 'Hover Jets' probably not. Yes, 3 peeps at once is hot but at long range when you've got time to cool, doable. It's possible some people will run 4xpeeps on the MCIIA, because it doesn't have that locked FF and room for a lot of DHS.

So, to clarify, due to higher position of the mounts the Anni will be a better ballistics boat than the King Crab (for example) and possibly the Mauler, for the same reason. Also spread of ballistics over arms and torsos at high position. Yes, the head sticks up but not all engagements start with walking over a hill. Most are around corners and open lanes.

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Posted 28 April 2017 - 06:30 PM

Hope the annihilators arms stay elevated like that. Last thing that thing needs is knuckle draggers. Something looks odd about it though compared to the art, looks skinnier maybe?

Nailed the Uziel, that thing is spot on.

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Posted 28 April 2017 - 06:51 PM

Uziel is the best looking in terms of dynamic geometry.

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Posted 28 April 2017 - 06:52 PM

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gotta admit the Cougar came out way better than the concept art led me to expect.


except no matter how good it looks its still a 35 tonner that only goes like 80kph

its a shame that a perfectly good model is ruined by being an omnimech

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Posted 28 April 2017 - 07:03 PM

View PostKhobai, on 28 April 2017 - 06:52 PM, said:


except no matter how good it looks its still a 35 tonner that only goes like 80kph

its a shame that a perfectly good model is ruined by being an omnimech


Maybe. I've seen good work come out of Kit Foxes and Adders. It's really going to depend on how it sizes in live and where the locked components are. It's not going to brawl but it could be a nasty sniper at 35 tons with Clan tech. Especially if it's got some decent quirks (which I feel would be warranted).

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Posted 28 April 2017 - 07:04 PM

View PostMischiefSC, on 28 April 2017 - 06:22 PM, said:


I feel like this conversation where you say stuff that's totally wrong, I correct you and you double down comes up a lot.


we established that someone in your unit told WHAT was good but you lack the basic fundamentals to know WHY, therefore you are unable to apply what you know as Information in a meaningful way as Knowledge... get that same someone to explain the WHAT in this case as well.


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You can fit 5 RAC5s on an Annihilator with a STD 260 and just about enough ammo and a tiny bit of armor stripping. With 4 RAC5s you could do an LFE 300 and plenty of ammo. Who said anything about ISXL?


great the IS Direwhale... only slower, count me excited as fuc k that IS is getting one of the lowest Clan Assault power level mechs as their new one. That really sounds like it is going to transform the game

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Height from the ground is NOT irrelevant because it determines what ground level cover you can, and can not, shoot over. Same reason the Mauler is better than the King Crab in most situations, better weapon clearance. Sure, not at cockpit height but still good. Same reason the KDK 3 is better (even if all other tech was the same), clearance. There's a lot of situations where the higher position of the KDKs ballistics are better for shooting over cover, not just hill humping.


KCG work great when you put x3 LPL & x3 SRM6+A in extremely high Torso mounts that defeats the problem of it having very low slung Arm weapons, some nonsense here when in your previous example then the Anni is going to have guns in its low slung Arm as well. Just gobbly-gokk of you trying to apply static learned information to a new problem set.

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In terms of hill-humping there is no comparison because the MK2 has JJs. However at 90 tons it could run 3 peeps and a gauss with JJs. Depends where the locked components are. Is it going to be worth the 15 tons greater cost than the Night Gyr? Due to PGIs patented 'Hover Jets' probably not. Yes, 3 peeps at once is hot but at long range when you've got time to cool, doable. It's possible some people will run 4xpeeps on the MCIIA, because it doesn't have that locked FF and room for a lot of DHS.


I am talking about the an existing standard KDK-3 build that is so prevalent it has its own name, a Pokebear. It is a very common build on MAD-IICs as well... so you are once again babbling gooby-gokk that has no bearing on what I said. Why run x3 cERPPC when you can do X2/x2 and have not only NO ghost heat but a very cool build, it does not need to poptart to be viable since the BEST two mechs in the game already run the same build and neither has JJs to do it.

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So, to clarify, due to higher position of the mounts the Anni will be a better ballistics boat than the King Crab (for example) and possibly the Mauler, for the same reason. Also spread of ballistics over arms and torsos at high position. Yes, the head sticks up but not all engagements start with walking over a hill. Most are around corners and open lanes.


So to clarify... I once again had to systematically destroy what you said because it was unintelligent nonsense. Who ever it is in your unit who tells you things, run it by him/her before replying to me. Save me the trouble of having to break it down for you point by point, probably can accomplish it much faster over TS anyways.

Edited by I_AM_ZUUL, 28 April 2017 - 07:13 PM.


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Posted 28 April 2017 - 07:05 PM

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I've seen good work come out of Kit Foxes and Adders


I love the Kit Fox. Its friggin awesome.

But it goes 105kph at least. So its still faster than most heavies.

But the Cougar going 87kph is like WTF because even a Timberwolf goes that fast.

The Cougar should get a +5% max speed quirk like the Summoner gets. It would go 91kph then, which is still bad, but at least not as bad.

Edited by Khobai, 28 April 2017 - 07:09 PM.


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Posted 28 April 2017 - 07:10 PM

View PostMischiefSC, on 28 April 2017 - 07:03 PM, said:


Maybe. I've seen good work come out of Kit Foxes and Adders. It's really going to depend on how it sizes in live and where the locked components are. It's not going to brawl but it could be a nasty sniper at 35 tons with Clan tech. Especially if it's got some decent quirks (which I feel would be warranted).


Really hope so, I have one pre-ordered, @ 80?k/h it's gonna need something... I'm hoping for something to work (but kinda expecting it to be awful)...

(I like kitfoxes & adders just fine)

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Posted 28 April 2017 - 07:16 PM

well its kindve why we needed unique skill trees for each mech

because then they could double the speedtweak values for the cougar. which when combined with a 5% max speed quirk would get it upto like 97kph

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Posted 28 April 2017 - 07:27 PM

View PostPariah Devalis, on 28 April 2017 - 05:13 PM, said:

Cougar Gallery
http://imgur.com/a/eYEFZ

Uziel Gallery
http://imgur.com/a/qCOa6

Annihilator Gallery
http://imgur.com/a/lbQ2f

MKII Gallery
http://imgur.com/a/KNl00

Random Tech
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Hail Satan Reddit for these compilation galleries.


Is that a giant mirror or magnifying glass on that laser AMS? Are we going back to Mummy tech with mirror deflecting light to destroy missiles now? Lol, then my laser AMS better not generate heat if it's going to deflect natural sun light. Posted Image





We ancient Egyptian tech nao.

Edited by Arnold The Governator, 28 April 2017 - 07:32 PM.


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Posted 28 April 2017 - 07:30 PM

View PostchucklesMuch, on 28 April 2017 - 07:10 PM, said:

Really hope so, I have one pre-ordered, @ 80?k/h it's gonna need something... I'm hoping for something to work (but kinda expecting it to be awful)...

(I like kitfoxes & adders just fine)

well, tbh, if it is crap? Do we have any reason to complain? We knew just lookign at it, that it would take a miracle for it to be good.

Thus, hopefully people who spend on it realize that.

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Posted 28 April 2017 - 07:32 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 28 April 2017 - 07:30 PM, said:

well, tbh, if it is crap? Do we have any reason to complain? We knew just lookign at it, that it would take a miracle for it to be good.

Thus, hopefully people who spend on it realize that.

The problem is that a lot of people are blinded by their nostalgia of playing the mech in MW4 and/or Mechassault, where the Coug was a lot faster and just better overall.

I send out my preemptive condolences to those who have to learn this lesson the hard way. Posted Image

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Posted 28 April 2017 - 07:35 PM

View PostFupDup, on 28 April 2017 - 07:32 PM, said:

The problem is that a lot of people are blinded by their nostalgia of playing the mech in MW4 and/or Mechassault, where the Coug was a lot faster and just better overall.

I send out my preemptive condolences to those who have to learn this lesson the hard way. Posted Image

This is true.

I have tried my best to "PSA" the Cougar and Uziel. But despite that..... well, yeah, people got their blinders and rose colored lenses on. And of course, it's getting lost in the white noise from all the butthurt in the PST, and somebody's little Temperance Crusade.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 28 April 2017 - 07:36 PM.


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Posted 28 April 2017 - 07:36 PM

View PostArnold The Governator, on 28 April 2017 - 07:27 PM, said:


What in the world is going on with that laser AMS? Are we going back to Mummy tech with mirror deflecting light to destroy missiles now? Lol, then my laser AMS better not generate heat if it's going to deflect natural sun light. Posted Image




it is firing a laser from the can under the lens which rotates and pivots. Oh, and it will generate heat, in lore it is a small laser chained to a targeting computer. IS it is 1.5 tons for 2 slots, Clan it is 1 ton and 1 slot.

View PostBishop Steiner, on 28 April 2017 - 07:30 PM, said:

well, tbh, if it is crap? Do we have any reason to complain? We knew just lookign at it, that it would take a miracle for it to be good.

Thus, hopefully people who spend on it realize that.


I knew it would be pretty bad, slower than the adder, bigger than it, standing taller than the adder in all likelihood. Nostalgia buy, nothing else, easy to justify for the price for me. I'll derp around in it, hope I find something fun with it like I ended up having with the Phoenix Hawk 1b. But, good chance I won't and that's fine, Uziel should be a solid performer for me, not amazing, but enjoyable.

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Posted 28 April 2017 - 07:38 PM

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Is that a giant mirror or magnifying glass on that laser AMS? Are we going back to Mummy tech with mirror deflecting light to destroy missiles now? Lol, then my laser AMS better not generate heat if it's going to deflect natural sun light.
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lies mirrors are losttech or we would have rear view mirror





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