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[cazidin]

Greetings MechWarriors. Today I have a simple question. How will you allocate your 91 points across your stable of mechs? How will you reach the optimal amount of bonuses? Which trees are good, bad or useless?

[El Bandito]

Depends. On missile mechs (LRMs, and soon ATMs), I'm really gonna go all out on weapon and sensor tree. I personally believe that extra consumable slots, and nodes that improve them are well worth 15-ish points of SP, on any mech.

Edited by El Bandito, 28 April 2017 - 07:38 PM.

[Khobai]

sensor tree is pretty damn useless IMO

to the point where they really need to fix it

I think they need to reduce the base range of sensors to like 400m and only by putting points in sensor tree can you get back upto 800m or more



have all mechs start at 400m base range with integrated sensors

then as skill nodes in the sensor tree have basic sensor suite (600m), intermediate sensor suite (800m), and advanced sensor suite (1000m) in progressively deeper locations in the sensor tree.

and give certain lights/mediums a free +200m sensor quirk. just so they dont have to go as deep into the sensor tree to get back to 800m sensor range. or they can choose to go full sensors and have like 1500m sensor range with the extra +25% from BAP.

at least wed have something like infowarfare because everyone will have **** for sensors unless someone put points into it.

Edited by Khobai, 28 April 2017 - 07:47 PM.

[Scyther]

Some specific build paths were referenced by Mycroft000 in this thread:
https://mwomercs.com...f-skill-points/

He uses up 87 nodes to basically build a surviveable, mobile mech with some heat and sensor bonuses, leaving you 4 points to put into firepower or whatever. Other people add some variants to the thread.

I did an 'elite a mech' experiment which tries to duplicate the skills you get from Basic and Elite tiers in current skill tree. That takes 61 nodes, leaving you 30 nodes to split between armor, firepower, sensors and auxiliary/consumables.
https://mwomercs.com...ter-comparison/

Neither of these examples used JJs so JJ mechs will have it even tighter.

I've not yet seen the node layout of a 'balanced' mech, with some armor, some heat management, some mobility, some sensors, enough Aux for 1-2 consumable slots - and then see how many points were left for FirePower/JJs/tweaking. That was actually going to be my project for today but they took PTS2 down.

[cazidin]

MadBadger, on 29 April 2017 - 02:56 AM, said:

Some specific build paths were referenced by Mycroft000 in this thread:
https://mwomercs.com...f-skill-points/

He uses up 87 nodes to basically build a surviveable, mobile mech with some heat and sensor bonuses, leaving you 4 points to put into firepower or whatever. Other people add some variants to the thread.

I did an 'elite a mech' experiment which tries to duplicate the skills you get from Basic and Elite tiers in current skill tree. That takes 61 nodes, leaving you 30 nodes to split between armor, firepower, sensors and auxiliary/consumables.
https://mwomercs.com...ter-comparison/

Neither of these examples used JJs so JJ mechs will have it even tighter.

I've not yet seen the node layout of a 'balanced' mech, with some armor, some heat management, some mobility, some sensors, enough Aux for 1-2 consumable slots - and then see how many points were left for FirePower/JJs/tweaking. That was actually going to be my project for today but they took PTS2 down.

Firepower is that bad of a skill tree now?

[Lukoi Banacek]

MadBadger, on 29 April 2017 - 02:56 AM, said:

That was actually going to be my project for today but they took PTS2 down.

Continue to tinker using this.

Of course the next iteration of ST will be different, but if yer in the mood to theorycraft, this should help.

[Xiphias]

My baseline is this:

Aux: Double coolshot, double strike.
Sensors: Left side straight down to seismic and pick up one radar dep
Operations: Every coolrun I can get + most of the heat containment ones.

For lights I then max out most of the mobility tree (speed tweak, burst, brake, and turn), while for heavier mechs I go for survival (armor, structure)

Finally, I fill in what's left in the firepower tree with a focus on the heat gen skills.

I consider the JJ tree to be useless, even with the bigger bonuses

Using the Locust as an example, roughly something like this:

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[Shifty McSwift]

cazidin, on 29 April 2017 - 07:11 AM, said:

Firepower is that bad of a skill tree now?

Firepower is a fine tree IMO, it just seems some builds will benefit more from other tree advantages.

[Scyther]

Cazidin: FirePower isn't a bad tree, just that Mycroft000's build shows he values armor/mobility/sensors more than weapon boosts.

My own build was just a test to see what it takes to get back our current Basic/Elite skill bonuses. Answer: 61 nodes, gaining a little extra mobility and taking away a little heat management from our current totals.

Lukoi Banacek: Thank you for the sample Skill Tree link, I will definitely poke around in that. For anyone else who may try it, on my Internet Explorer 11 PC that Skill Tree link just gives a black screen. On my Win10/Microsoft Edge browser it works fine.

(edit:)
Xiphias: Thank you for the sample tree + the design goal you mention with it. So that looks like 18 SP in Ops for heat, 31 in Mobility, 8 in Sensors to get some basic Seismic/RaDerp, and 9 in Auxiliary mostly to unlock 3 consumable slots. Leaving 25 to customize with, in this case, all FirePower and no Survival.

For myself I think I would trim Aux to 5 nodes/2 consumable slots, leaving 29 nodes to customize. All that would cost me from my Basic/Elite skills build would be some Heat Containment/Gyros/Hill Climb I think, which would be OK to give up.

Edited by MadBadger, 29 April 2017 - 09:23 AM.

[Bud Crue]

Most of agility to get my speed tweek recovered.
Most of sensors to get derp (and If I do that I may as well get seismic)
Most of operations to stay cool.
1 Misc.

Only using firepower on boats of any kind, and only if Operations isn't needed (Gauss Jagger for example needs no help with heat, so I can skip most of operations and load up on firepower to get cooldown, velocity and weapon specific quirks).

[Battlemaster56]

Well I'll be focusing on mobility and firepower mostly, with a dash of sensors for my skirmishing and brawling builds for most of my mechs. For others that are weapon boats and stuff I focus mostly on firepower and structure with a small mix of both sensor and mobility.

[Shifty McSwift]

Bud Crue, on 29 April 2017 - 09:14 AM, said:

Most of agility to get my speed tweek recovered.
Most of sensors to get derp (and If I do that I may as well get seismic)
Most of operations to stay cool.
1 Misc.

Only using firepower on boats of any kind, and only if Operations isn't needed (Gauss Jagger for example needs no help with heat, so I can skip most of operations and load up on firepower to get cooldown, velocity and weapon specific quirks).

Aside from boats and general damage/dps lovers I can also see mechs with very limited weapon loadouts taking full advantage of the firepower tree, to increase a lacking in that department.

[Scyther]

Okay so poking around with the Skill Tree Grid that Lukoi Banacek posted, I think I would use the following as my 'baseline' build for virtually all mechs. It takes 71 nodes leaving 20 to customize each mech to its' role.

If anyone sees anything obvious I missed or a way to shave off an unimportant node or two, feel free to advise!

Edited by MadBadger, 29 April 2017 - 10:33 AM.

[Ghogiel]

Personally I think running with double coolshot with 1 other consumable, either UAV or air depending which mech/ will be mandetory spending.

actually using them all every game for 120cbills, not mandetory...