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[Jackal Noble]

With the Civil War encroaching, will we have some guns that finally have rotating barrels ala RACs?
vs. guns that look like they should rotate but do not currently in game (UAC5, C-UAC5, C-UAC-10, C-UAC20)

Do RACs rotate? I think they should, but that's beside the point.
Thoughts?

Edited by JackalBeast, 30 April 2017 - 10:51 AM.

[Bombast]

JackalBeast, on 30 April 2017 - 10:51 AM, said:

Do RACs rotate?

They have a very silly name if they don't.

[Spheroid]

What bothers me more is the inconsistency between calibers of Clan UACs. Did they not use nested inverted triads for the UAC-10 because that barrel look was being reserved for I.S. RACs?

Paired barrel UACs look so ugly.

[Rekkon]

On Friday's dev stream, they said the RACs would rotate.

[Jackal Noble]

Rekkon, on 30 April 2017 - 10:56 AM, said:

On Friday's dev stream, they said the RACs would rotate.

Ah, thank you.

Was busy, missed it.

[Juodas Varnas]

JackalBeast, on 30 April 2017 - 11:42 AM, said:

Ah, thank you.

Was busy, missed it.

Here's the stream VOD on youtube.

[Jackal Noble]

Thanks Juodas! watching now.

[Monkey Lover]

They do but its going to be a long time before every mechs gets the updated models.

[LordNothing]

its the uac 2s and 5s that do it wrong. they arent supposed to rotate, they are supposed to be like chainguns (hooked to a feed system but single barrel).

Edited by LordNothing, 30 April 2017 - 12:01 PM.

[Jackal Noble]

LordNothing, on 30 April 2017 - 12:00 PM, said:

its the uac 2s and 5s that do it wrong. they arent supposed to rotate, they are supposed to be like chainguns (hooked to a feed system but single barrel).

Ya, and I've read as much before on the forum at some point. They totally should be single barrel.

[LordNothing]

JackalBeast, on 30 April 2017 - 12:03 PM, said:

Ya, and I've read as much before on the forum at some point. They totally should be single barrel.

every game developer and their mother are quick to jump on the gatling gun trope, and then quickly gum it up with mechanics because irl gatling guns are op. 40 tank killing rounds in a second, lol.

Edited by LordNothing, 30 April 2017 - 12:07 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

JackalBeast, on 30 April 2017 - 10:51 AM, said:

With the Civil War encroaching, will we have some guns that finally have rotating barrels ala RACs?
vs. guns that look like they should rotate but do not currently in game (UAC5, C-UAC5, C-UAC-10, C-UAC20)

Do RACs rotate? I think they should, but that's beside the point.
Thoughts?

since when don't UAC 2 and 5s rotate?

Mine do. UAC10 and 20s look like GAST Guns, which means they should move in alternating recoil, and I don't think they do. But unless your settings re on low, your UAC barrel should rotate on 2s and 5s.

[LordNothing]

Bishop Steiner, on 30 April 2017 - 12:10 PM, said:

since when don't UAC 2 and 5s rotate?

Mine do. UAC10 and 20s look like GAST Guns, which means they should move in alternating recoil, and I don't think they do. But unless your settings re on low, your UAC barrel should rotate on 2s and 5s.

alternating recoil would look great on the uac10 and 20, but alas it just seems to be a static model.

[Mcgral18]

JackalBeast, on 30 April 2017 - 10:51 AM, said:

With the Civil War encroaching, will we have some guns that finally have rotating barrels ala RACs?

They rotate

Deckles don't



It's a graphic setting thing, IIRC
Lower end settings do not rotate

[Juodas Varnas]

Mcgral18, on 30 April 2017 - 12:44 PM, said:

They rotate

Deckles don't



It's a graphic setting thing, IIRC
Lower end settings do not rotate

Dekkels = Magic #confirmed

I am pretty sure that SOME mech UACs don't rotate, well, at least my Wolverine's UAC5 doesn't.

Edited by Juodas Varnas, 30 April 2017 - 12:49 PM.

[Mcgral18]

Juodas Varnas, on 30 April 2017 - 12:47 PM, said:

Dekkels = Magic #confirmed

I am pretty sure that SOME mech UACs don't rotate, well, at least my Wolverine's UAC5 doesn't.

Right, it's an art thing too

[Koniving]

LordNothing, on 30 April 2017 - 12:00 PM, said:

its the uac 2s and 5s that do it wrong. they arent supposed to rotate, they are supposed to be like chainguns (hooked to a feed system but single barrel).

Agreed and disagree at the same time.
Whether an AC or UAC has a single barrel or a multi-barrel apparatus (spinning or not) depends on the manufacturer and the caliber of the weapon (not the 2, 5, 10, 20 but the 30mm, 50mm, 80mm, 100mm, 120mm, 150mm, 185mm, etc.)

[Jackal Noble]

Mcgral18, on 30 April 2017 - 12:44 PM, said:

They rotate

Deckles don't



It's a graphic setting thing, IIRC
Lower end settings do not rotate

Crazy, pretty sure I have the settings up pretty high. Thanks for confirming this tho.

[Jackal Noble]

Ummm... just went on testing grounds with my Roughneck 2A(nice RT high ballistic), and set the settings to Very high and......nothing. No rotating UAC5 barrel.

[LordNothing]

Koniving, on 30 April 2017 - 12:54 PM, said:

Agreed and disagree at the same time.
Whether an AC or UAC has a single barrel or a multi-barrel apparatus (spinning or not) depends on the manufacturer and the caliber of the weapon (not the 2, 5, 10, 20 but the 30mm, 50mm, 80mm, 100mm, 120mm, 150mm, 185mm, etc.)

it depends little on calibur. many guns configurations exist in all caliburs. gatling guns from 5.65mm microguns, all the way up to 35mm behemoths (and larger guns are likely possible but thats good enough to get through most modern armors) and gasts in a wider range. chainguns from the lowliest belt fed machine gun all the way to high calibur naval guns. large artilliary type pieces usually just a bolt action (same as a rifle but bigger) with an auto loader thrown in (replacing the soldier who had to load the gun manually), but those are seldom used in direct fire operations and need not have a high firing rate.

could you use a gatling gun configuration for your autocannons? sure. but with the firing rates the guns operate at, this would be unnecessarily redundant. before they started using gatling guns on aircraft they experimented with revolvers. a gatling style drum loader but with a single static barrel. but because there was a lot of stop and go on the feed system it jammed a lot and the barrels would wear out faster and had to be frequently replaced. the drum would have to come to a complete stop before it could be fired and this would also limit the firing rate. this to me sounds like what the uacs in battletech are using. after that they went to a gatling guns proper, the gun, drum and ammo feed were all synchronized into one fluid motion, and this greatly reduced jamming. the interval between barrel servicing was increased by a factor of how many barrels the gun had. they ran cooler which further increased their service life. so if a uac was actually configured as a gatling gun, it simply wouldnt jam and would fire a lot faster and would in fact be a rac.

Edited by LordNothing, 30 April 2017 - 01:27 PM.