20 replies to this topic

[Monkey Lover]

You have house units who work all years for thier house, they fight for it then Pgi allow mercs to take the top spots because house pops are down to a handfull of people.
They're mercs they care nothing about the faction other than the contract price. Next week they will be somewhere else.

Loyalist getting screwed yet again.

[Vxheous]

All units are down to handfuls of people, regardless of mercs and house units. If house units played at a higher skill level, they would be on the leaderboards (and that's not to say there aren't house units that play at a high skill level, ISEN, MJ12, few others come to mind)

It comes down to less suck (lrms) more pew (direct fire). Shoot mechs instead of PvE (gen-rush). HHoD/C4 groups have finally figured that out, and the results show.

Edited by Vxheous Kerensky, 04 May 2017 - 03:22 PM.

[Monkey Lover]

Vxheous Kerensky, on 04 May 2017 - 03:14 PM, said:

All units are down to handfuls of people, regardless of mercs and house units. If house units played at a higher skill level, they would be on the leaderboards (and that's not to say there aren't house units that play at a high skill level, ISEN, MJ12, few others come to mind)

It comes down to less suck (lrms) more pew (direct fire). HHoD/C4 groups have finally figured that out, and the results show.

These leaders boards are all about playing population that's really it.. You're fighting pugs... Not really that hard. Merc units should have thier own leaderboard. They care nothing for the factions .

Edited by Monkey Lover, 04 May 2017 - 03:24 PM.

[Ted Wayz]

Vxheous Kerensky, on 04 May 2017 - 03:14 PM, said:

All units are down to handfuls of people, regardless of mercs and house units. If house units played at a higher skill level, they would be on the leaderboards (and that's not to say there aren't house units that play at a high skill level, ISEN, MJ12, few others come to mind)

It comes down to less suck (lrms) more pew (direct fire). Shoot mechs instead of PvE (gen-rush). HHoD/C4 groups have finally figured that out, and the results show.

And completely ignores the problem that there is no real incentive to be a house unit and that player population in FW sucks.

There have been so many good suggestions to make FW and Houses relevant. In the end PGI has chosen to go in a different direction.

Edited by Ted Wayz, 04 May 2017 - 04:26 PM.

[Vxheous]

Ted Wayz, on 04 May 2017 - 04:26 PM, said:

And completely ignores the problem that there is no real incentive to be a house unit and that player population in FW sucks.

There have been so many good suggestions to make FW and Houses relevant. In the end PGI has chosen to go in a different direction.

Oh, don't get me wrong, there are plenty of things wrong with the loyalist system in FW, but a Tukayyid leaderboard is not one of them

[El Bandito]

Monkey Lover, on 04 May 2017 - 03:23 PM, said:

These leaders boards are all about playing population that's really it.. You're fighting pugs... Not really that hard. Merc units should have thier own leaderboard. They care nothing for the factions .

I understand your concern. After all, big merc units have decided the course of CW from its inception--which is so very contrary to lore. However, an argument can be made that in this event, those merc are helping the hired factions to be on top. Even if they will switch allegiance after the event, for the duration of the event they will be fighting just as hard as any house units.

There are also house loyal mercs, who are indistinguishable from house units.

Edited by El Bandito, 04 May 2017 - 06:07 PM.

[Kubernetes]

Vxheous Kerensky, on 04 May 2017 - 03:14 PM, said:

All units are down to handfuls of people, regardless of mercs and house units. If house units played at a higher skill level, they would be on the leaderboards (and that's not to say there aren't house units that play at a high skill level, ISEN, MJ12, few others come to mind)

MJ12 is a merc unit (and currently Clan).

[Vxheous]

Kubernetes, on 04 May 2017 - 06:14 PM, said:

MJ12 is a merc unit (and currently Clan).

Don't you guys used to sit with a MJ12 and a 12JM on opposites sides for faction pts?

[Monkey Lover]

El Bandito, on 04 May 2017 - 06:05 PM, said:

I understand your concern. After all, big merc units have decided the course of CW from its inception--which is so very contrary to lore. However, an argument can be made that in this event, those merc are helping the hired factions to be on top. Even if they will switch allegiance after the event, for the duration of the event they will be fighting just as hard as any house units.

There are also house loyal mercs, who are indistinguishable from house units.

My view is the mercs are paid to help the faction why should they be given anything other than an wage? Im not saying dont let them fight hard, im saying give them their own leaderboard.They can fight for the top merc spot because that's what they are.

[Marius Romanis]

Kubernetes, on 04 May 2017 - 06:14 PM, said:

MJ12 is a merc unit (and currently Clan).

i thought 12JM was clan

[El Bandito]

Monkey Lover, on 04 May 2017 - 06:28 PM, said:

My view is the mercs are paid to help the faction why should they be given anything other than an wage? Im not saying dont let them fight hard, im saying give them their own leaderboard.They can fight for the top merc spot because that's what they are.

I am not opposed to the idea. It is PGI's decision though.

[Monkey Lover]

El Bandito, on 04 May 2017 - 06:32 PM, said:

I am not opposed to the idea. It is PGI's decision though.

I made the same post after tukayyid #1 and #2 didn't help back then i dont see it helping now lol

[Monkey Lover]

These are the people (and more) who have played CW in marik over the last season, small units with lots of games over and over. These are the units who should be fighting it out.

Not 1 planet tag for avg of 600 games per person(even counting inactive)


(Side note im not in any of these units and im not playing like i had anything to deal with cw support as i only played scouting this season)

Edited by Monkey Lover, 04 May 2017 - 07:14 PM.

[MechaBattler]

It really does feel like PGI doesn't really care about loyalist units.

[Novakaine]

Vxheous Kerensky, on 04 May 2017 - 03:14 PM, said:

All units are down to handfuls of people, regardless of mercs and house units. If house units played at a higher skill level, they would be on the leaderboards (and that's not to say there aren't house units that play at a high skill level, ISEN, MJ12, few others come to mind)

It comes down to less suck (lrms) more pew (direct fire). Shoot mechs instead of PvE (gen-rush). HHoD/C4 groups have finally figured that out, and the results show.

[Kubernetes]

Vxheous Kerensky, on 04 May 2017 - 06:22 PM, said:

Don't you guys used to sit with a MJ12 and a 12JM on opposites sides for faction pts?

Still merc. The MJ12 tag stays IS and 21JM is Clan, but we're all the same pilots. The entire unit goes en masse when switching, but people sometimes hop back when drops aren't there. We're dirty Clanners at the moment.

[Novakaine]

We run one maybe two dedicated lurms boats.
Mainly myself.
And if you ever bothered to notice you'll hardly ever find me in the rear.
But of course you wouldn't because your probably that sniper in back never sharing armor.
And only caring for for your KDR.
Give me a break.
And amazingly I've seen Clanker units of late running lurm boats themselves.
Go figure.
You guys are so disingenuous it really pathetic.
But you know........

[Reza Malin]

Kubernetes, on 04 May 2017 - 06:14 PM, said:

MJ12 is a merc unit (and currently Clan).

I thought MJ12 was an IS merc unit?

Did they switch, JUST for the event?

Edited by Reza Malin, 05 May 2017 - 12:22 AM.

[SmokeGuar]

MJ12 plays as IS, Clan side unit is 21JM. Think most switch between units lately every couple of weeks.

[Lily from animove]

Ted Wayz, on 04 May 2017 - 04:26 PM, said:

And completely ignores the problem that there is no real incentive to be a house unit and that player population in FW sucks.

There have been so many good suggestions to make FW and Houses relevant. In the end PGI has chosen to go in a different direction.

there shouldn't be a real incentive, in fact, people should chose what they want to be, people have chosen mercs/hopping because it had more advantages than otherwise. And this is and was the biggets issues as this made the incentives for beeing a merc/hopper bigger.