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[R Valentine]

Better nerf IS quirks! amirite? #deletetheskilltree

[Trenchbird]

I facepalmed when I saw that.

Seriously considering not even participating in the event if the seal clubbing is this bad looking.

[AbyssalTyrant]

Doesnt matter what we think , PGI will just do whatever they want. I just stopped caring why spend effort if even the makers dont care.

[Andi Nagasia]

Kiran Yagami, on 05 May 2017 - 04:31 PM, said:

Better nerf IS quirks! amirite? #deletetheskilltree

and lets jab at the Skill Tree, sigh,....

the first day doesnt show much data,
just look Smoke Jag has almost as many Points as the top 3 Factions Added to gether,
i think thats more Smoke Jag has much more Population than the other Factions then Clan OP,

just look at the Factions when we take away Smoke Jag,
Liao=.................594
Jade Falcon=...522
Steiner=............405
Ghost Bear=....388
Marik=...............377
Rasalhague=.....312
Wolf=................303
Davion=.............290
Kurita=...............195
so everything seems mostly balanced when you take Smoke Jag away,
interesting, though if Clan was really Over Preforming then shouldnt Clan be the 3 top spots under Jag?
just Saying,

Edited by Andi Nagasia, 05 May 2017 - 04:52 PM.

[El Bandito]

Just a PSA: If you wish to earn better MC prizes, switch to Clans ASAP. They are gonna win this event.

Kiran Yagami, on 05 May 2017 - 04:31 PM, said:

Better nerf IS quirks! amirite? #deletetheskilltree

TBF, CW active merc units such as KCom, DC, 420m etc, are all dropping Clan, even EmP. MS is currently Liao, but the unit is 1/5 as good as it was in previous Tuk.

Edited by El Bandito, 05 May 2017 - 05:02 PM.

[R Valentine]

Andi Nagasia, on 05 May 2017 - 04:52 PM, said:

and lets jab at the Skill Tree, sigh,.... the first day doesnt show much data, just look Smoke Jag has almost as many Points as the top 3 Factions Added to gether, i think thats more Smoke Jag has much more Population than the other Factions then Clan OP, just look at the Factions when we take away Smoke Jag, Liao=.................594 Jade Falcon=...522 Steiner=............405 Ghost Bear=....388 Marik=...............377 Rasalhague=.....312 Wolf=................303 Davion=.............290 Kurita=...............195 so everything seems mostly balanced when you take Smoke Jag away, interesting, though if Clan was really Over Preforming then shouldnt Clan be the 3 top spots under Jag? just Saying,

Your rose colored glasses may be red, but the tug-o-war is very, very blue.

[FireStoat]

Not participating in this event. I think the game will be in a better state after the Skill Tree & Tech update both drop and then 4-5 months pass after that for further data collection, review, and patch changes happen for a new attempt at balance.

So more or less, events like this might be taken more seriously by next November. I'm trying to remain optimistic too.

[Tordin]

Quirks dont matter, skill tree neither, clans will punish real good anyway. Also they are better coordinated it seems no amount of buffs IS get can beat a coordinated unit.
Alot of new players need help, dont trade with clans, force em at brawl never be on the defensive against them but use cover until closing in.

[Andi Nagasia]

Kiran Yagami, on 05 May 2017 - 04:55 PM, said:

Your rose colored glasses may be red, but the tug-o-war is very, very blue.

how else can you say that only one faction has nearly 3x the score of the next best,
its ether that Faction Alone has all the Best Tech(which it doesnt their are 3 other Clans)
that Faction has the Best Players(which could be the case we dont know)
or that Faction has the Most Players(which is what im banking on)

[El Bandito]

Tordin, on 05 May 2017 - 05:01 PM, said:

Quirks dont matter, skill tree neither, clans will punish real good anyway. Also they are better coordinated it seems no amount of buffs IS get can beat a coordinated unit.
Alot of new players need help, dont trade with clans, force em at brawl never be on the defensive against them but use cover until closing in.

Brawling doesn't work anymore for IS. Clan units are now spamming Orion-IICs with LB20X + 4xACSRM6s + 2xFlamers. Can't out brawl that.

Andi Nagasia, on 05 May 2017 - 05:02 PM, said:

how else can you say that only one faction has nearly 3x the score of the next best,
its ether that Faction Alone has all the Best Tech(which it doesnt their are 3 other Clans)
that Faction has the Best Players(which could be the case we dont know)
or that Faction has the Most Players(which is what im banking on)

It definitely has the most players among Clan factions, not because they like the faction, but because the faction offers most pay among all Clans. However, if players really wanted to earn money, then Liao offers 20% more bonus than CSJ--which means players know that Clans are the way to go if they want to win.

Edited by El Bandito, 05 May 2017 - 05:07 PM.

[Tordin]

And hows their speed with that setup. Theres ALWAYS a weakness, always a solution.

[R Valentine]

Andi Nagasia, on 05 May 2017 - 05:02 PM, said:

how else can you say that only one faction has nearly 3x the score of the next best,
its ether that Faction Alone has all the Best Tech(which it doesnt their are 3 other Clans)
that Faction has the Best Players(which could be the case we dont know)
or that Faction has the Most Players(which is what im banking on)

So most clan players are smoke jag? Whoopty doo! That means nothing. That doesn't mean "oh boy, we're really balanced just 1 clan lotsa players kay!" Nope nope nope.

[El Bandito]

Tordin, on 05 May 2017 - 05:06 PM, said:

And hows their speed with that setup. Theres ALWAYS a weakness, always a solution.

They run at 80kph. There is no weakness in mobility thanks to Clan XL engine. Only way you can fight them is to try to blow out their LT ASAP, but torso twisting easily negates that. Even BLR-2C spam does not stand a chance against those Orion-IICs.

Imagine a horde of smaller but less sturdy Atlas-S coming at you with 80kph, and costs only 75 tons.

Edited by El Bandito, 05 May 2017 - 05:26 PM.

[FireStoat]

Tordin, on 05 May 2017 - 05:06 PM, said:

And hows their speed with that setup. Theres ALWAYS a weakness, always a solution.

Assuming a 350 XL is used, about 81 KPH if it has speed tweak. This is a similar build.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...33e42e4f8ea453b

The Orion IIC for brawling is probably one of the most fearsome things walking around on the field at 75 tons. The problem would be the mount locations which are not ideal at all. But if a pilot is willing to put the practice in, yeah. It's going to easily rack up Assault mech scores.

[Mystere]

As I mentioned in two other thread, just imagine if PGI suddenly pulled a fast one and sneakily made the event Clan Binary vs. IS Company, or better yet Clan Star vs. IS Company.

That would be hugely epic in so many ways, including the whining.

[Durnaxe]

Mystere, on 05 May 2017 - 05:22 PM, said:

As I mentioned in two other thread, just imagine if PGI suddenly pulled a fast one and sneakily made the event Clan Binary vs. IS Company, or better yet Clan Star vs. IS Company.

Well that's how it should be for faction play.

[Kubernetes]

Give it some time. A lot of top units went IS for this event, but it could be that many are still asleep right now. Let's see what happens throughout the weekend.

[Kubernetes]

El Bandito, on 05 May 2017 - 05:04 PM, said:

Brawling doesn't work anymore for IS. Clan units are now spamming Orion-IICs with LB20X + 4xACSRM6s + 2xFlamers. Can't out brawl that.




It definitely has the most players among Clan factions, not because they like the faction, but because the faction offers most pay among all Clans. However, if players really wanted to earn money, then Liao offers 20% more bonus than CSJ--which means players know that Clans are the way to go if they want to win.

Let's not make assumptions here. My unit wanted instadrops, and our experience from Tukayyids past was that IS involved a lot of waiting. The other consideration was that many good units went IS (like EVIL), and we hope to get quality matches. Victory via pugstomp is boring af.

[Cy Mitchell]

El Bandito, on 05 May 2017 - 04:55 PM, said:

TBF, CW active merc units such as KCom, DC, 420m etc, are all dropping Clan, even EmP. MS is currently Liao, but the unit is 1/5 as good as it was in previous Tuk.

As it has always been, wherever the big Merc units go the wins will go. If those teams all chose IS the last three days of the event then IS will win. It is not so much about balance as it is talent.

[oldradagast]

FireStoat, on 05 May 2017 - 05:01 PM, said:

Not participating in this event. I think the game will be in a better state after the Skill Tree & Tech update both drop and then 4-5 months pass after that for further data collection, review, and patch changes happen for a new attempt at balance.

So more or less, events like this might be taken more seriously by next November. I'm trying to remain optimistic too.

So, in other words the game's balance will suck completely until November at the earliest, and that's assuming PGI works hard, studies the data, understand what balance changes need to be made, and HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! I can't even keep going with a straight face.

Yeah, whatever. Balance is screwed, IS is screwed, and nobody in charge really cares. Just buy some Clan mechpacks and call it a day.