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[Ruar]

Fox the Apprentice, on 06 May 2017 - 06:00 PM, said:

After the new tech drop, I'm thinking IS would have the advantage in a set like that.

The new tech drop will make the LFE the most used engine by IS. Just because the LFE is being added doesn't they should just leave the STD and XL alone. I really like the idea of the STD giving added structure bonus at a minimum and I could even see adding some extra speed if possible. The ISXL is going to get left behind as long as it's a single ST kill and I firmly believe that mechanic has to change if we ever want to see balance between IS and Clan.

As for the map changes, they won't happen. It's just too much work. The problem with maps is they are not designed based on realistic military terrain. Armies don't just fight anywhere most of the time. One of them usually picks a spot and the other picks the best terrain they can find near that spot. The maps in game just don't make sense. The city buildings are way too close together in a culture steeped in battlemechs. Industry mechs alone would dictate more spacing between buildings to avoid costly damage from simple movement.

Then there are the military bases and objectives that are just not designed with battlemech defense in mind. Why would I ever build walls that can simply be shot or punched through with ease? I'm much better off constructing hidden bunkers with battlemech killing weaponry. Mines are a tremendous threat to mechs.

Anyway, all this just goes to show that map design is a huge issue when it comes to balance because depending on the terrain you can magnify a range advantage or completely remove range as a factor. PGI seems to be content with 2k view range with 1200m engagement ranges on most maps. This gives a lot of room for people to run around but it also means any coordinated group with longer range weapons can control a fight from the very beginning. Even canyon requires controlling long range because you can't just sit down low and let your enemy maneuver unchecked. The best short range map is the one with the tunnel and docks, but the problem with that map is the greater mobility of the clan mechs means having a short range advantage doesn't really matter.

Which means even with the tech changes coming out the clans will still have an advantage because the maps themselves are poorly designed. The advantage should shrink enough so that a coordinated IS group has a chance, but well led clan teams will still be tough to beat simply because they can apply damage without taking any significant damage in return.

[El Bandito]

Mcgral18, on 06 May 2017 - 12:09 PM, said:

Clams have the best brawlers in the game, FYI

They also have some of the best long range, but at the extreme range it can become debatable (1100+M)

Sphere has the Mid Range, with isLPLs
That's...about it.

[Fryepod]

I've had alright success in scouting so far. Got the personal challenges of the event done. It's a bit different everytime with the influx of pugs and new to FP players.

I'm quick to let every pug lobby know that
Nova's hitboxes on the arms are as big as they look and Cheetah's can in fact be killed if you shoot their legs.

Generally speaking, with just that common consensuses the IS can hold the upper hand in this game mode,

Hopefully that help's some with their personal challenges

[Lily from animove]

Fox the Apprentice, on 06 May 2017 - 02:44 PM, said:

It won't reach 100% after 120 minutes of the event being active, however. And that WAS the case.

how many matches tooke place at the ame time and within those 120 minutes? that is the only relevant thing,.

[Alexander of Macedon]

JustCaustic, on 07 May 2017 - 12:23 AM, said:

I've had alright success in scouting so far. Got the personal challenges of the event done. It's a bit different everytime with the influx of pugs and new to FP players.

I'm quick to let every pug lobby know that
Nova's hitboxes on the arms are as big as they look and Cheetah's can in fact be killed if you shoot their legs.

Generally speaking, with just that common consensuses the IS can hold the upper hand in this game mode,

Hopefully that help's some with their personal challenges

Yeah, the scouting is dead easy now that clans have the tonnage disadvantage. It matters much more in 4v4, since individual skill has a greater impact and it's easier to leverage the tonnage advantage with good organization. Just bring a 55/50t splat build and roll as a ball on defense, or 160+kph lights and play evasion until the dropship arrives on offense.

[Jerry Beard]

Lupis Volk, on 06 May 2017 - 07:59 PM, said:

ftfy

keep chugging the custom made kool-aid dezgra.

Damn Lupis troll much? I have already read 2 posts from you and while everyone else seems to add substance for one side or the other you have added nothing... You would think that you would change the tactic of randomly adding insults or comments that just don't seem to fit which by the way I think is the same tactic you use to pick up women and if I am right you still don't have a date for the Junior Prom ( See what I did there?????) Dude get a life I felt bad as seeing only one reply to both your comments so as a person who truly feels for folks with special needs I decided to make you feel wanted and accepted. Here's your cookie, you rock, you get a Gold Star for effort now move along and let the adults finish their conversation. There are crayons and playdough in the lobby....

[Tordin]

73%, now 67% keep it up.

[Trenchbird]

JustCaustic, on 07 May 2017 - 12:23 AM, said:

Cheetah's can in fact be killed if you shoot their legs.

When you see them stop from leg cripples, they always look so hurt. Like you just called them out on being pathetic bottom feeders or something.

It's so cathartic.

[Snowbluff]

Catten Hart, on 07 May 2017 - 02:21 PM, said:

When you see them stop from leg cripples, they always look so hurt. Like you just called them out on being pathetic bottom feeders or something.

It's so cathartic.

I feel like a sad puppy when someone legs my cheetah.

"This was so easy in T5. I would kill everyone in T5." I would say. "Why do you have to L2aim?"

[Khobai]

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The new tech drop will make the LFE the most used engine by IS. Just because the LFE is being added doesn't they should just leave the STD and XL alone. I really like the idea of the STD giving added structure bonus at a minimum and I could even see adding some extra speed if possible. The ISXL is going to get left behind as long as it's a single ST kill and I firmly believe that mechanic has to change if we ever want to see balance between IS and Clan.

They should just add engine crits to the game

Make ISXL survive 4 engine crits (would allow it to survive ST destruction barely)
Make CXL and LFE survive 6 engine crits
Make STD immune to engine crits entirely (only way to kill the mech is to destroy the CT). STD would probably need to give a CT structure buff too.

engines could suffer crits in 2 ways. first way would be losing a side torso in which case youd suffer engine crits equal to the number of engine crit slots in the destroyed side torso. second way would be an engine crit slot suffering enough crit damage and getting critted out like any other piece of equipment.

each crit the engine suffers would also incur a cumulative -10%/-20% movement/heatsink penalty. Like is currently the case for CXL.

Edited by Khobai, 07 May 2017 - 07:42 PM.

[Insanity09]

I would think that cXL and lfe would both need to die on 4 crits (4 slots), cXL should NOT be changed from how it is now, dying on loss of both side torsos (six would require CT).

IF engine crits were added, then either having a STD CT structure buff OR giving it reduced engine crit effects might be reasonable.

[B0oN]

IS bias stronk in this thread .
IS whine even stronker .
IS skills ? Not very stronk .
IS garage ? VERY STRONK .
Stronk failure I smell.

Thanks for supplying ze whine, I was not sure what to have as a drink to my lunch .

[Ryllen Kriel]

Bishop Steiner, on 06 May 2017 - 03:24 PM, said:

funny, that's how I tend to feel about Clans...

I made an alt-Clanner account last year to try out some mechs and not muddy up my main Inner Shere account. I had some faction warfare experiences, it was okay. There are some nice people playing Clan side but I feel the interest for me and real challenge is playing Inner Sphere. Though I do agree sometimes that a few forum personalities help a lot with my disinterest in playing my Clan alt account.

[Pixel Hunter]

Ruar, on 06 May 2017 - 09:26 PM, said:

PGI seems to be content with 2k view range with 1200m engagement ranges on most maps. ....

This gives a lot of room for people to run around but it also means any coordinated group with longer range weapons can control a fight from the very beginning....

the problem with that map is the greater mobility of the clan mechs means having a short range advantage doesn't really matter.

Which means even with the tech changes coming out the clans will still have an advantage because the maps themselves are poorly designed. The advantage should shrink enough so that a coordinated IS group has a chance, but well led clan teams will still be tough to beat simply because they can apply damage without taking any significant damage in return.

yes indeed. super long range high alpha clan mechs are a serious problem in this game.

[Lily from animove]

Gimpy117, on 08 May 2017 - 03:41 PM, said:

yes indeed. super long range high alpha clan mechs are a serious problem in this game.

serious problems are Poeople of t5 and t4 as most of them don't know basics and how to play and then just screw up the game for their team. To CW/FW/FP or whatever fancy name PGI may come up in future you either bring top performing mechs and proper knowledge or you have no reason to complain as you are primarily the cause of your problem.

Edited by Lily from animove, 08 May 2017 - 04:42 PM.

[Vxheous]

Gimpy117, on 08 May 2017 - 03:41 PM, said:

yes indeed. super long range high alpha clan mechs are a serious problem in this game.

[Hobbles v]

under the current system even a 51% to 49% win rate will result in maxed bar for the 51%.

Going by the total scores from leader boards its about 54.33% clan wins.

[Ruar]

Gimpy117, on 08 May 2017 - 03:41 PM, said:

yes indeed. super long range high alpha clan mechs are a serious problem in this game.

I wouldn't say super long range high alpha. I would say having a 20-30% higher damage potential at long range is a significant advantage. Long range being defined as 1000m+. IMO super long range engagements are ineffective simply because the weapons are losing so much damage due to distance traveled that the team would be better off maneuvering to a superior position rather than trying to engage. If you already have the superior position then waiting for the enemy to get closer is better than trying to get in five or six points of super long range damage.

[SmokedJag]

Clans defeated on day three?! This will not do at all.

[Vxheous]

SmokedJag, on 08 May 2017 - 04:02 PM, said:

Clans defeated on day three?! This will not do at all.

Pretty sure it's a bug, since the Clan bar is still 93%