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[Mcgral18]

You know, the ones without LRMs, LBx, or other inferior options

Something like

• BattleMaster 2C
  
• BattleMaster 2C
  
• Dragon 1C
  
• Spider 5K

Building to one of the few good Spheroid weapons: the LPL
Also quirks

5LPL BMs, probably XL (but you can STD)
Either 3LPL or 3ERLL Dragon
LPL 5K (probably MGs removed)


I would test it, but superior Clam Robots (also unit)
Perhaps someone non-Potato could give it a try, and try to put up a fight.

[Sunstruck]

In all honesty I would never bring a dragon into faction warfare.

If you want lasers, look at grasshoppers and warhammers.

IS dakka mechs are still good, IS srm mechs are good too.

[MischiefSC]

Mcgral18, on 06 May 2017 - 12:25 PM, said:

You know, the ones without LRMs, LBx, or other inferior options

Something like

• BattleMaster 2C
  
• BattleMaster 2C
  
• Dragon 1C
  
• Spider 5K

Building to one of the few good Spheroid weapons: the LPL
Also quirks

5LPL BMs, probably XL (but you can STD)
Either 3LPL or 3ERLL Dragon
LPL 5K (probably MGs removed)


I would test it, but superior Clam Robots (also unit)
Perhaps someone non-Potato could give it a try, and try to put up a fight.

Don't do it.

Run 4 heavies or 3 heavies and a medium. Maybe 1 BLR, 2 heavies and a medium.

You'll be running the Dragon vs Novas, HBK IICs and Scrows and that Spider vs ACH and streakboats.

BLR, Whammy, Griffin, hunchie. Whammy x3, hunchie/Cent. BLR, 2x Thud, BJ. 4x Thuds.

Run a Lolcust if you're a Lolcust badass. Otherwise you'll want to spread that tonnage out. A Spider isnt going to win a match on wave 4. That weight on waves 3 and 4 are a huge advantage the IS is foolish to waste.

[Mcgral18]

MischiefSC, on 06 May 2017 - 12:40 PM, said:

Don't do it.

Run 4 heavies or 3 heavies and a medium. Maybe 1 BLR, 2 heavies and a medium.

You'll be running the Dragon vs Novas, HBK IICs and Scrows and that Spider vs ACH and streakboats.

BLR, Whammy, Griffin, hunchie. Whammy x3, hunchie/Cent. BLR, 2x Thud, BJ. 4x Thuds.

Run a Lolcust if you're a Lolcust badass. Otherwise you'll want to spread that tonnage out. A Spider isnt going to win a match on wave 4. That weight on waves 3 and 4 are a huge advantage the IS is foolish to waste.

Seems like a lost cause, to me
If you aren't winning by Drop 4, you aren't winning, period

BMs are a fair bit better than the Heavies, hence the pair
Hunchback seems like a waste, maybe an Enforcer

Maybe Hoppers, but I've never used one

[ccrider]

Enforcer 4p is a badass; 104ish kph, 4 med lasers and an arm mounted ac20. Its fast, spreads damage well and the arm mount allows for light legging with the ac20. Plus at that speed you can sneak behind mechs and alpha 40 up the rear end.

[iLLcapitan]

Dragon??
BLR 2c, WHM 6d, CDA 2b as OP as it gets

[Mcgral18]

iLLcapitan, on 06 May 2017 - 01:28 PM, said:

Dragon??
BLR 2c, WHM 6d, CDA 2b as OP as it gets

Quirks change robots

Need you be reminded by the dual AC90 Dragon?
This isn't that, this isn't easily disarmed.


I've heard good things about the Cicada, but still range limited

[AnTi90d]

My favorite decks:

BLR 2c (ERLL) / GHR 5p X2 (ERLL) / Oxide (Yeah, 5 tons under.. but I prefer Oxide to Cicadas and GHRs to non-LFE Marauders.)

GHR 5p x3 (ERLL) / Griffin 2n (I would run the SRM Bush, but I haven't yet mastered it.)

GHR 5h x3 (LPL/MDLAS those heatgen quirks are awesome) / Griffin 2n

MAL mx90 (UAC5x4.. soon to be RACs) / WHM x2 (UAC5x2 / LPLx2 because I hate running peeps in FP when ECM Cheetahs are about) / Oxide

WHM x3 (UAC5x2 / LPLx2) / GRF 2n

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I need to buy another 2c for the LPL deck, as I have mine in the ERLL one. Sometimes the dropcaller calls for LPL brawl and orders us to drop in an assault class. I tried the 1g LPL, but I despise its limited turn radius.

Shadowhawks and Bushies are next on my list of things to master. I've seen a lot of them do well for IS meaty-ums.

I eagerly anticipate seeing whether Javelins are any good.. and Assassins when they hit the Cbill release.

[MischiefSC]

Mcgral18, on 06 May 2017 - 12:46 PM, said:

Seems like a lost cause, to me
If you aren't winning by Drop 4, you aren't winning, period

BMs are a fair bit better than the Heavies, hence the pair
Hunchback seems like a waste, maybe an Enforcer

Maybe Hoppers, but I've never used one

The problem with the front loaded tonnage for IS is you're throwing away your biggest advantage. Clans pretty much have to go big the first 2 waves so you're putting 2 BLRs against 2 MAD IIC or 1 MAD and a Night Gyr. Then you'll have a Nova and a Cheetah to face with your Dragon and Spider, plus someone on the other team probably ran mediums and splatdog.

Because the Clan lights and mediums are so good you're playing to the Clan strengths with a front loaded deck. Lean into the GHR/WHR/TDR for the first 2 waves. You'll likely fall just short of break even and then surge ahead when it's splat Griffin vs Streakdog and HBKs and your mediums and a couple heavies vs ACH.

Long range maps maybe. It's just a gamble. Clan gets comparatively stronger at lower tonnages. You're gambling you'll absolutely wipe 2 waves of Scorch/Gyrs with 2 waves of BLR because waves 3 and 4 you'll be at a disadvantage. It's very risky.

[iLLcapitan]

Mcgral18, on 06 May 2017 - 01:37 PM, said:

Quirks change robots

Need you be reminded by the dual AC90 Dragon?
This isn't that, this isn't easily disarmed.


I've heard good things about the Cicada, but still range limited

since you know it all, why bother asking

Edited by iLLcapitan, 06 May 2017 - 02:07 PM.

[MischiefSC]

Cicadas are beastly. I'd rather deal with 12 BLR than a 12 Cicada rush.

[The Basilisk]

Mcgral18, on 06 May 2017 - 12:25 PM, said:

You know, the ones without LRMs, LBx, or other inferior options

Something like

• BattleMaster 2C
  
• BattleMaster 2C
  
• Dragon 1C
  
• Spider 5K

Building to one of the few good Spheroid weapons: the LPL

Also quirks

5LPL BMs, probably XL (but you can STD)
Either 3LPL or 3ERLL Dragon
LPL 5K (probably MGs removed)


I would test it, but superior Clam Robots (also unit)
Perhaps someone non-Potato could give it a try, and try to put up a fight.

too hot, not enough dps too vulnerable to Clan long range ppfld

[Palfatreos]

iLLcapitan, on 06 May 2017 - 01:28 PM, said:

Dragon??
BLR 2c, WHM 6d, CDA 2b as OP as it gets

one day i will convert you to a grashopper 5p believer

[ccrider]

Atlas'. All day everyday. Goddam heathens. Alpha into juicy marauder legs and enjoy.




Unless they walk underneath you like uncouth peasants. You know who I'm talking to.

[iLLcapitan]

Palfatreos, on 06 May 2017 - 02:16 PM, said:

one day i will convert you to a grashopper 5p believer

i'm a 5h believer since day 1

[DarklightCA]

BLR-2C's are overall good and can melt a lot of things Clans can bring. If you are fighting a lot of Night Gyr teams than bringing ER Large is usually your best bet like the GRH-5P. Warhammers are still good like the laser vomit 6D or bringing a 4x AC5 Black Widow.

The problem with IS decks are always going to be the XL engines you require to pack that kind of firepower. The issue most IS teams seem to have even when picking a actual good deck is the lack of torso twisting. Any half decent clan player can easily beat whatever you bring if you make it easy for them to XL check you.

You can either out brawl them with brawl quirks or out range them by spamming ER Large, that usually seems like the best bet. Just my opinion.

[Palfatreos]

iLLcapitan, on 06 May 2017 - 02:21 PM, said:

i'm a 5h believer since day 1

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...2fa170c26fba727

join the dark side you know you want that struc quicks and range

ccrider, on 06 May 2017 - 02:16 PM, said:

Atlas'. All day everyday. Goddam heathens. Alpha into juicy marauder legs and enjoy.
Unless they walk underneath you like uncouth peasants. You know who I'm talking to.

NEVAR! you to slow to catch my baby ebj

Edited by Palfatreos, 06 May 2017 - 03:31 PM.

[ccrider]

Palfatreos, on 06 May 2017 - 03:28 PM, said:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...2fa170c26fba727

join the dark side you know you want that struc quicks and range don't need to catch the ebj. Just need him to be where you are going. Then boom into that big ol nose cone.




NEVAR! you to slow to catch my baby ebj

[MischiefSC]

DarklightCA, on 06 May 2017 - 03:22 PM, said:

BLR-2C's are overall good and can melt a lot of things Clans can bring. If you are fighting a lot of Night Gyr teams than bringing ER Large is usually your best bet like the GRH-5P. Warhammers are still good like the laser vomit 6D or bringing a 4x AC5 Black Widow.

The problem with IS decks are always going to be the XL engines you require to pack that kind of firepower. The issue most IS teams seem to have even when picking a actual good deck is the lack of torso twisting. Any half decent clan player can easily beat whatever you bring if you make it easy for them to XL check you.

You can either out brawl them with brawl quirks or out range them by spamming ER Large, that usually seems like the best bet. Just my opinion.

Yeah but dat 3rd+ wave. I love the BLR but it's neck and neck with a good Scorch loadout, or 4xppc Warhawk for poke on Alpine/Boreal. You bring a weak medium for wave 3 and it'll get the HBK IIC/Nova treatment. Bring a light and it's streaks and ACH.

Good heavies might lose wave 1 12-9 or 12-8 but recover without getting dunked. Wave 2 is suddenly even, then you're way ahead wave 3/4. Ton for ton Clans get better vs their IS counterparts as they get lighter. The toughest fights we usually see are 4x heavies.

[DarklightCA]

MischiefSC, on 06 May 2017 - 04:07 PM, said:

Yeah but dat 3rd+ wave. I love the BLR but it's neck and neck with a good Scorch loadout, or 4xppc Warhawk for poke on Alpine/Boreal. You bring a weak medium for wave 3 and it'll get the HBK IIC/Nova treatment. Bring a light and it's streaks and ACH.

Good heavies might lose wave 1 12-9 or 12-8 but recover without getting dunked. Wave 2 is suddenly even, then you're way ahead wave 3/4. Ton for ton Clans get better vs their IS counterparts as they get lighter. The toughest fights we usually see are 4x heavies.

Clan's don't really get as much benefit from bringing a assault as IS does considering IS has higher dropdeck tonnage. Bringing 2 Night Gyr's will give you a lot more bang for your tonnage than bringing one Warhawk or Scorch. The BLR-2C will melt anything Clan's can throw at them and likely survive to damage the next wave.

Which is a huge advantage in Faction Play as any extra damage you can dish out or 2nd wave mechs you can trade for your 1st wave puts you in a huge advantage coming in. As for Alpine/Boreal, a 4xppc Warhawk is not going to out trade IS ER Large. The Nova is a hard hitter but it's also easily disarmed. With current IS tonnage I can bring a assault, 2 heavies and a medium. Streaks aren't really a issue.