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[Ngamok]

Ryllen Kriel, on 09 May 2017 - 12:28 PM, said:

His character didn't need to die, the plot to that movie killed interest in all the characters for me all by itself.

TBH I actually found the plot of the movie rather interesting. That another human race is farming us for them to live on forever.

[Ryllen Kriel]

Ngamok, on 10 May 2017 - 06:48 AM, said:

TBH I actually found the plot of the movie rather interesting. That another human race is farming us for them to live on forever.

It's a theme that has been done hundreds of times before in novels and films, and done more creatively. I would cite examples but I guess it would include some major spoilers for those other stories which come to mind. In a very generic way it's just a retelling of a vampire story. The lure of eternal youth comes at a terrible moral cost, the wealthy living off the poor, etc, etc.

The biggest plot hole in Jupiter Ascending for me was the question of why an advanced civilization that has mastered space travel and achieved a truely interstellar empire can't find a more resource efficient and morally superior method of harvesting stem cells or whatever the magical human smoothie is that keeps the elites of the galaxy young?

It's a joke to say they can't grow specific cells in a lab or synthesize the biochemistry needed with all the other goofy pseudo-Super science going on. This is an empire with genetically engineered dog soldiers that rollerblade through the air in gravity defying boots. They had to openly tinker with the human genome already to create some of the characters, why go through the effort to harvest an entire populace? It's just a poorly written plot device used to make the antagonists evil without any character development. Many movies do this.

It's not like they would get a very pure source of genetic material from farming Earth anyway with all the inbreeding and mutations from chemicals and solar radiation. We have screwed up genetics even without outside influences, just look at all the varieties of cancer, why harvest that? Our DNA is full of flaws just by virtue of its method of reproduction.

[Karl Streiger]

why would anybody drink whiskey rather than water?
we have the sun we have plants but can we make coal or oil - maybe we can but when its come to economics it might be simpler to split the earth open and collect the last coal or oil available.

[Ngamok]

Ryllen Kriel, on 10 May 2017 - 08:47 AM, said:

It's a theme that has been done hundreds of times before in novels and films, and done more creatively. I would cite examples but I guess it would include some major spoilers for those other stories which come to mind. In a very generic way it's just a retelling of a vampire story. The lure of eternal youth comes at a terrible moral cost, the wealthy living off the poor, etc, etc. The biggest plot hole in Jupiter Ascending for me was the question of why an advanced civilization that has mastered space travel and achieved a truely interstellar empire can't find a more resource efficient and morally superior method of harvesting stem cells or whatever the magical human smoothie is that keeps the elites of the galaxy young? It's a joke to say they can't grow specific cells in a lab or synthesize the biochemistry needed with all the other goofy pseudo-Super science going on. This is an empire with genetically engineered dog soldiers that rollerblade through the air in gravity defying boots. They had to openly tinker with the human genome already to create some of the characters, why go through the effort to harvest an entire populace? It's just a poorly written plot device used to make the antagonists evil without any character development. Many movies do this. It's not like they would get a very pure source of genetic material from farming Earth anyway with all the inbreeding and mutations from chemicals and solar radiation. We have screwed up genetics even without outside influences, just look at all the varieties of cancer, why harvest that? Our DNA is full of flaws just by virtue of its method of reproduction.

I like your take on this. Does the movie have some plot holes, yes. I know when they were on Khalik's (sp?) plent she said cloning didn't work and almost wiped out the entire human population. Maybe natural growing is the way to go. Sean Bean did say our species was spliced with the indigenous population. Either way, yes, I do understand what you are saying and make valid points.

[Lykaon]

Anjian, on 09 May 2017 - 01:41 AM, said:

Far too Mary Sue to be even considered.

Not to mention that famous actors and actresses dislike having their beautiful bodies and figures concealed in masks, helmets or strapped inside large machines without a way for the camera to see them in all their glory.

This just as much (if not more) a studio thing. No studio wants to spend millions on star power to have it covered up in costume.

Even with super hero movies the big names are covered up as little as possible. Just take a look at the Ironman films there is some creative shots (inside the Ironman suit's helmet) of Robert Downy Jr. (Tony Stark).

And anyone who has seen the new Guardians movie will see a lot less of Star Lords signature mask as it looks like the Studio guys wanted to have more of Chris Pratts face on screen.

My two C-bills on what script to use...I would go for the Warrior book series (4th succession war) adaption. It makes for a neat three film format that studios love so much and doesn't risk being overly "confusing" to audiences by not having to explain what the heck a clan is or why they talk funny or any of their weirdoness. Studio execs always assume the audiences are window licking idiots and don't want anything to "complicated" and the Warrior book series is easier to adapt as a simple sci fi war story with giant robots.

Edited by Lykaon, 10 May 2017 - 01:52 PM.

[Tincan Nightmare]

A Wolf's Dragoons series on cable would be awesome. You could follow history and have each season be their service to a different IS faction. First season would be their mysterious arrival, and start of service with Davion, and would serve as plain introduction for the setting and characters. Then progress around the IS, showing viewers how big and complex the BT universe is by allowing each season to show them a different house. It would also cover some interesting plot twists, like the Marik civil war, and the last season would be their service with House Kurita and ending with the fighting on Misery and Crossing. For future spinoffs you could drop all kinds of bread crumbs about how no one knows where they came from, leaving it open for a future series about the clan invasion, especially as the Dragoons were key in bringing the IS together to fight the clans.

Plus we would get hot young Natasha Kerensky as one of the main characters .

[Natred]

Ulric kernesky would be mathew machaney
Precentor Marshall focht would be bruce willis
Phellen kell(wolf) chris pine
Natasha kernesky old version sigorni weaver young version jessica alba or the girl that plays wonder woman

[Metus regem]

Natred, on 10 May 2017 - 02:26 PM, said:

Ulric kernesky would be mathew machaney
Precentor Marshall focht would be bruce willis
Phellen kell(wolf) chris pine
Natasha kernesky old version sigorni weaver young version jessica alba or the girl that plays wonder woman

I'd rather cast a bunch of unknowns and spend more of the CGI for the mechs.... Remember this would likely have a shoe string budget as big studios would green light it with a massive budget....

Edited by Metus regem, 10 May 2017 - 02:44 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Vellron2005, on 09 May 2017 - 01:12 AM, said:

So if they ever make a proper Hollywood blockbuster Battletech movie, who would you like to see star in it?

Here's some names I would like to see:

Natasha Kerensky: Emily Blunt (don't believe me watch Edge of Tomorrow)
Morgan Kell: Clive Standen
Jaime Wolf:
Michael Hasek Davion: Jason Isaacs (watch his role in the Patriot, he'd be perfect for the scheming ambitious noble)
Hanse Davion: David Wenham (though if a Clan Invasion era one was done...Robert Redford)
Morgan Hasek Davion:
Daniel Allard:
Takashi Kurita: Peter Shinkoda (or Ken Watanabe, but I like Peter for this better)
Yorinaga Kurita: Ken Watanabe
Katherine Steiner: Cate Blanchett
Frederick Steiner: Ed Harris or Peter Weller

To use a "young" Natasha, would have to be before the Clan Invasion, and seems nuts to have a Phelan Kell/Ward who is older than Natty K, just my 2ct.

Also, I'd probably use the 4th Succession War or Wolves on the Border as my "way into the battletech universe" not start in the Clan Invasion. Look how starting with the clans biases people toward the game... movies would not be much different. Prequels are iffy, IMO.


[color=#FFD500]Clive Standen[/color]

[Shiroi Tsuki]

I want Michael Bay in this. I know I'm speaking of such heresy right now, but I want the explosions and visuals to look epic. If what MB's Transformers have shown me is that good CGI and effects is enough to persuade me even if the story and characters are horrid. Though, make sure the writing is top notched and by lore

[TheArisen]

Shiroi Tsuki, on 10 May 2017 - 07:15 PM, said:

I want Michael Bay in this. I know I'm speaking of such heresy right now, but I want the explosions and visuals to look epic. If what MB's Transformers have shown me is that good CGI and effects is enough to persuade me even if the story and characters are horrid. Though, make sure the writing is top notched and by lore

I'd like for someone with war movie experience, ideally someone with experience with sci-fi and war movies.

[Bishop Steiner]

TheArisen, on 10 May 2017 - 09:01 PM, said:

I'd like for someone with war movie experience, ideally someone with experience with sci-fi and war movies.

and after what I saw in Prometheus and what I've heard about Covenant, NOT sir Ridley, either.

And Michael Bay would insist on making them into hyper agile robots that look like body builders, so HELL NO.

Truth be told though, IDK if a movie is the way to go. HBO or Netflix style miniseries, IMO.

[TheArisen]

Bishop Steiner, on 10 May 2017 - 10:29 PM, said:

and after what I saw in Prometheus and what I've heard about Covenant, NOT sir Ridley, either.

And Michael Bay would insist on making them into hyper agile robots that look like body builders, so HELL NO.

Truth be told though, IDK if a movie is the way to go. HBO or Netflix style miniseries, IMO.

How about Doug Liman? Edge of Tomorrow, Bourne Identity and a new war movie "The Wall" about two guys pinned down by a sniper.

Also I totally agree and that's what I've been saying, a miniseries is the best bet. 12 hour long episodes of mech action please.

[Reno Blade]

Shiroi Tsuki, on 10 May 2017 - 07:15 PM, said:

I want Michael Bay in this. I know I'm speaking of such heresy right now, but I want the explosions and visuals to look epic. If what MB's Transformers have shown me is that good CGI and effects is enough to persuade me even if the story and characters are horrid. Though, make sure the writing is top notched and by lore

TheArisen, on 10 May 2017 - 09:01 PM, said:

I'd like for someone with war movie experience, ideally someone with experience with sci-fi and war movies.

Reminds me of the first scenes in the first Transformers movie, when that bad guy popped op in the millitary base and blasted tanks and choppers with the "PPC".
There I though... damn I want this to be a Battlemech!

The rest ... well Battlemechs should be strong and sturdy, surviving tank impacts, but taking long enough to reach the front lines to get shot by retreating tanks before actually unleashing their power
-> reminds me a bit of Neon Genesis Evangelion.

Also of note, there was/is a spanish team of people working on a Robotech movie, but they had to change the name after being sued by HG.
I think they had called it "Project Valkyrie".

[Johnny Z]

Edited by Johnny Z, 11 May 2017 - 12:48 AM.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

please not Michael Bay or Guy Ritchie and other New&fast &and IdioticNo Story & Fun Crap Directors with all the typical Scenes from all other Films ..and not J.J.AbramsMany Lensflares, Destroy very Big Planets with Super Super Weapons ,and a long Fistfight with the Bad Guy to the End with the Heroic Bad guy as absolute Looser...give it James Cameron ...and a dirty realistic War Movie Ambient like James Ryan, Black Hawk Down or Aliens...no to Battletech meets Transformers,Marvel or Skull Island Pacific Rim

Edited by Old MW4 Ranger, 12 May 2017 - 02:11 AM.

[Anjian]

Video game movie are going to flop hard, even with the most famous of games. Except for the Angry Birds one, which somehow managed.

The game or the franchise could promote itself through a series of trailers that you can put on YouTube or something, like a series of short CGI films.

[Vellron2005]

Oh if we're talking directors, I would only give the franchise over to one of these three:

James Cameron, Peter Jackson, Ridley Scott.

[Catra Lanis]

I would make either a trilogy out of the warrior books or a single movie about Decision at Thunder Rift.

The warrior Trilogy has both action mech vs mech but also that "James Bond" element along with few protagonists, it also has a "Hollywood" ending.

Thunder Rift is pretty much stand alone and limited to one planet.

Why is this good?

Let's remember that 99% of the moviegoers would have no knowledge about the Battletech universe. "Inner Sphere, Clans, Houses... what the hell is that?"

In order to win new fans I think they need to be introduced to the universe in pieces small enough to swallow and digest, not be overwhelmed by everything at once,

[Lily from animove]

Karl Streiger, on 10 May 2017 - 10:46 AM, said:

why would anybody drink whiskey rather than water?
we have the sun we have plants but can we make coal or oil - maybe we can but when its come to economics it might be simpler to split the earth open and collect the last coal or oil available.

thinka bout it, over millions of years, carbon which was part of the carbon cycles was buried under the earth., At times when plants were HUGE and even your average fern had tree size.
I think it is for the health of the ccle even needed to bring these carbon ressources bakc to the cycle. Otherwise in the extreme example, all carbon would one day be buried under the seas and land and be gone. and wihtout carbon no carbon based Life. Maybe in the depth of mars we even may find buried carbon and realise Mars was once like earth but ultimately deserted when all carbon was buried and solar winds blew away it's larger athmosphere.

Johnny Z, on 11 May 2017 - 12:32 AM, said:

Her face, thats the angry clans mans breeded daughter?

Edited by Lily from animove, 12 May 2017 - 03:35 AM.