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[Ragnahawk]

https://mwomercs.com...nts?t=201705tuk

Not even 1%. Wow.

[nehebkau]

I think most people knew this was going to happen. In reality, the FW meter is moved on pug-vs-pug ( and potato-vs-potato) matches which marginally favours the clan mechs.

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Its quite simple.

if you need 100 wins to reach 100% and, as the war stats show, clans win 55% of the matches then, eventually, the dial will creep to 100% in favour of the clans. Same thing would happen if clans won 51% or 50.5% or 50.1%. Eventually those unanswered wins add up to 100.

Edited by nehebkau, 09 May 2017 - 08:33 PM.

[naterist]

nehebkau, on 09 May 2017 - 11:17 AM, said:

I think most people knew this was going to happen. In reality, the FW meter is moved on pug-vs-pug ( and potato-vs-potato) matches which marginally favours the clan mechs.

It was a self fulfilling prophecy. People in the know knew clans would win, so they all went clan, ensuring clans would win. Only a loyal few didnt switch.

[Vonbach]

What on earth did they expect?

[MechaBattler]

And this with a 25 ton drop deck difference. Oh and those crit changes Clan players were insisting were a crippling nerf.

[Dan Zakarius]

Oh come on guys, you know damn good and well the game is perfectly balanced.

[Fuerchtenichts]

Why am I losing matches?

mech balance < pilot skill < team play

[The Basilisk]

Fuerchtenichts, on 09 May 2017 - 01:09 PM, said:

Why am I losing matches?

mech balance < pilot skill < team play

Because the oddest builds and baddest pugs are still on clan side, no tech will help.

[Grus]

Resistance is futile.

[Willard Phule]

nehebkau, on 09 May 2017 - 11:17 AM, said:

I think most people knew this was going to happen. In reality, the FW meter is moved on pug-vs-pug ( and potato-vs-potato) matches which marginally favours the clan mechs.

Makes sense, since there are far more pug-vs-pug matches than there are organized groups against each other. Exponentially more.

It seems to me that all the large, organized groups went IS and are solidly stomping the Clan pugs. Thing is, there are WAY more Clan pugs out there than they can deal with alone.

The smaller Clan groups and experienced solos are still here. You'd be surprised how much weight 2-5 halfway organized guys have in a skittles match. Not as spectacular as the 12 man curb stomp, but we get by. Well enough to hold the meter at 100%.

Granted, I don't think this event is taking the "other team failed to drop harvest" matches, but whatever.

[DANKnuggz]

You do realize that 2 IS factions are in 2nd and 3rd place by score and the only real reason Clan is running away with this is some extremely solid merc units are on CSJ totally dominating the score.. one of those units being 21JM or MJ12 as they're known when they play their IS accounts.

Let me say that again.... 2 IS factions are OUTSCORING all of the clan factions EXCEPT for CSJ where our most skilled and organized units are... if clans were OP then all clan factions would be dominating and not just 1....

Once again, Tech < Pilot Skill < TEAMWORK
There are 3 factors involved in team performance and ignoring the two that are human based (teamwork and pilot skill) is purely foolish when they are the most important factors for victory.

Teamwork OP!! Nerf Teamwork now!! lol

You're looking at the final score and acting as if that proves your point without looking into what that score is comprised of.

EDIT: Rechecking the scores and it seems the clan factions that were trailing are starting to close the gap... Wonder how much of this turn around is due to IS players giving up and washing their hands of it w/o realizing they had factions that were doing well... I've certainly had more than my fair share of terribads on my team not helping and getting us rolled. When IS actually drops in the right mechs and rolls up in a group to brawl range they are more than a match for most clan teams.

Edited by DANKnuggz, 09 May 2017 - 03:16 PM.

[MazeRunner]

Willard Phule, on 09 May 2017 - 02:34 PM, said:

Makes sense, since there are far more pug-vs-pug matches than there are organized groups against each other. Exponentially more.

It seems to me that all the large, organized groups went IS and are solidly stomping the Clan pugs. Thing is, there are WAY more Clan pugs out there than they can deal with alone.

The smaller Clan groups and experienced solos are still here. You'd be surprised how much weight 2-5 halfway organized guys have in a skittles match. Not as spectacular as the 12 man curb stomp, but we get by. Well enough to hold the meter at 100%.

Granted, I don't think this event is taking the "other team failed to drop harvest" matches, but whatever.

And of course the amusing part is that the cookie-hunting IS puggies are whining they're being stomped by the Clan premades.

The reality is it's the veteran players stepping up, slapping the PUGs into some kind of shape and trying to win matches in most of the pug v pug games.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Of course its going to be 100% in one direction or the other, its a cumulative bar. Math demands that it will reach 100% eventually even if one side is winning more than the other by 1%.

Right now Clan is winning 55% of the time, IS is winning 45% of the time, thus the bar is moving towards 100% for Clans on average.

[Appogee]

It will be interesting to see whether any of the main units who are dropping consistently switch sides in the next day or so.

[Daidachi]

Appogee, on 09 May 2017 - 03:10 PM, said:

It will be interesting to see whether any of the main units who are dropping consistently switch sides in the next day or so.

We thought about switching last night, but figured not having wait times was better.

And you can have as much tonnage differential as you want, but if people bring terribad builds, and won't work together with a modicum of aggression, they will continue to get stomped.

[MazeRunner]

My IS contract is up, trying to figure out if running as a Freelancer would be workable but I foresee almost nothing but IS-based CTA's if I do. I did IS first time, Clan second...and while I know this is a faction thing, I'm still trying to find a neutral side. Probably just out of spite

[Crockdaddy]

Really a chunk of the problem is IS mechs require a sizeable encyclopedia of knowledge to build correctly and leverage. Clan mechs can work in a far more streamlined manner. Basically it is easier for the typical pug to configure a decent clan mech vs some IS pug. Hence the constant imbalance, plus Clan XL even with nerfs are still OP when compared to most IS XL situations.

[DarklightCA]

The large majority of the IS population are soloist players that bring bad builds or LRM's, don't coordinate well with their team and never torso twist even with XL engines. Any wins that organized groups or other players get are usually completely negated by the many losses these players get.

As easy as it is to play a Clan mech because of how good clan XL's are in the ability to bring more firepower without getting killed from losing a torso. It's not the reason IS is getting beat so bad. IS has their own abilities if players only used them correctly.

Clan's pretty much dominate the mid range other than bringing a BLR-2C. IS should be dominating maps like polar where long range is key because IS ER Large has better advantages at long range trading over Clan ER PPC. Brawling is about equal but with the quirks some IS mechs get for brawl there are a lot of IS mechs that are monsters in a brawl. IS players are too blame for IS defeats not balance or Clan's.

[DANKnuggz]

Crockdaddy, on 09 May 2017 - 03:19 PM, said:

Really a chunk of the problem is IS mechs require a sizeable encyclopedia of knowledge to build correctly and leverage.

There is a ton of EASILY accessible info at places like Metamechs.com. If you're not taking advantage of that info and trying to do it all from scratch you have only yourself to blame...

[PlayerUnknown]

I.s just drop 12 assault first wave lrg pulse build. then heavies then med or heavies then a light or med.

for snow maps extreme long range ( er ppc large laser, er laser , lrms ok) anything else u have a strong chance of losing as u saw,

I take 4 thunderbolts and do over 2000 damage ,

on of my thunderbolts had 2 med and 2 er ppc only :-p for range

go to meta mechs faction is not for solo drop mentality people :-p

Edited by JayRtech, 09 May 2017 - 04:40 PM.