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[Magnus Santini]

To change the subject for a second... As far as I can tell, the lore of the FedCom civil war was 95% Davion vs. Steiner. There was Com Guards units and definitely mercenaries like the Gray Death Legion and Wolf's Dragoons. Not much clans. To me it doesn't make any sense to have an event and not let everyone play. But it would also be silly if the clans decided the result. So what should PGI do? Divide up the other factions? Have other conflicts happen at the same time?

[Y E O N N E]

Nobody gets to play. We all just st uninstall and that is the end.

[Monkey Lover]

Magnus Santini, on 15 May 2017 - 07:32 AM, said:

To change the subject for a second... As far as I can tell, the lore of the FedCom civil war was 95% Davion vs. Steiner. There was Com Guards units and definitely mercenaries like the Gray Death Legion and Wolf's Dragoons. Not much clans. To me it doesn't make any sense to have an event and not let everyone play. But it would also be silly if the clans decided the result. So what should PGI do? Divide up the other factions? Have other conflicts happen at the same time?

they could always do "personal challenge" for the clans. Then do a clans only event next time.

[Magnus Santini]

If we uninstall like Yeonne says we are going to have to find a Gettysburg game like Grayson Carlyle played against Jaime Wolf. And Monkey Lover, you guys are so fast with your links! Mine was broken.

Edited by Magnus Santini, 15 May 2017 - 08:01 AM.

[GrimRiver]

Maybe have clans against clans and IS against IS during the event?

About the only way I can think of that let's everybody in the fun.

[DAYLEET]

GrimRiver, on 15 May 2017 - 07:53 AM, said:

Maybe have clans against clans and IS against IS during the event?

About the only way I can think of that let's everybody in the fun.

That would be interesting. But id rather faction wars stay deserted and quickplay populated.

[Bud Crue]

Um...do we have a Fedcom?

[Helene de Montfort]

Bud Crue, on 15 May 2017 - 08:14 AM, said:

Um...do we have a Fedcom?

No, we never had a Fedcom...

[Nesutizale]

I don't know if I remember everything right and beeing to lazy to search through sarna but here is my list what I roughly remember with conflicts of the time

Steiner - Davion
Liao - St.Ives/Davion
Kurita - Ghostbeard Dominion
Wolf - Wolf Exile
Wolf - Jadefalcon
Marik - .... well they just sell weapons to everyone. Oh and maybe support some Bandit states

Oh and some of the minor clans fighting over the scaps of the homeworlds, whats left by the Ghostbears.
Also Ghostbears retreat battles? Did they happen before this?
Word of Blake is also starting to get active.

So planty of conflicts to choose from.

Edited by Nesutizale, 15 May 2017 - 08:24 AM.

[Bud Crue]

Helene de Montfort, on 15 May 2017 - 08:17 AM, said:

No, we never had a Fedcom...

Well then, the civil war within this nonexistent entitity should be a real humdinger of an event with participants of similar nonexistent identities. Perhaps the nonexistent clan factions can fight it out with the nonexistent periphery states?

[Nesutizale]

Well they want to introduce a new map, so alonge with that maybe we see new factions too?
Definitly want to see "Word of Blake" as they bring a lot of interesting mechs with them.

Also Rasalhag and Ghostbears would have to be one faction! How do they solve that?
Then all Steiner and Davion Loyalists would have to decide where they want to be.
Liao players can be split in two, same as Wolf. Some of the smaller Clans could be incooperated into the existing ones.

Will be interesting how they solve that...most likely by just keeping everyone appart and do nothing.

Edited by Nesutizale, 15 May 2017 - 08:30 AM.

[FLG 01]

Magnus Santini, on 15 May 2017 - 07:32 AM, said:

To change the subject for a second... As far as I can tell, the lore of the FedCom civil war was 95% Davion vs. Steiner. There was Com Guards units and definitely mercenaries like the Gray Death Legion and Wolf's Dragoons. Not much clans.

Well overall the FCCW was mostly a FedCom-show, unsurprisingly so, but there are still some things I'd like to point out:

• It was not Steiner vs Davion. It was Loyalists (Katherine) vs Allied (Victor), with Steiner and Davion units on both sides. Also there were numerous neutral factions within the former Federated Commonwealth like Adam Steiner and his Melissia-theatre.
  
• Wolf Dragoons had no part in the FCCW.
  
• Clans were involved rather substantially, with the Jade Falcon-incursion on the one hand, and the Wolves-in-Exile siding with the Allies under Peter Steiner-Davion. The Ghost Bears were fighting a war against the Draconis Combine during the FCCW, although that was not part of the FCCW itself.
  
• The Draconis Combine saw some action against Lyrans (Lyons' Thumb) and the FedSuns (rogue March Draconis-attack)
  
• The Capellans had a minor but important involvement in the conquest of Tikonov; furthermore Victor had some Capellan units with him like 1st St.-Ives Lancers and the Blackwind Lancers.
  
• ComStar was involved a lot; some units fighting in the FCCW directly, some repelling the Jade Falcons.
  
• Regional independence movements had a role, although none as signficant as Free Skye.
  
• And I am sure there is more I have just forgotten atm. Probably a lot.

To be honest, the FCCW was a complicated affair because so many factions with many different goals, and I have no idea how PGI is going to address this.
I am afraid they just won't address it at all.

[Cy Mitchell]

There is much more in the time period than Davion vs Steiner .

Clan Jade Falcon vs Steiner
Clan Hell's Horses vs Clan Ghost Bear
Clan Ghost Bear (Ghost Bear Dominion) vs Draconis Combine
Cappellan vs St Ives
Clan Wolf vs Clan Jade Falcon
Draconis Combine vs FedSuns
Calderon Protectorate vs Tauran Concordant
Word of Blake causing trouble with everyone.

No idea what we will actually get.

[Magnus Santini]

That is some great info. Hopefully PGI can use some of the work from the Tukayyid event to make one or more of these ideas happen without too much extra work.

[ScrapIron Prime]

I think it would be fun to have IS vs IS around the civil war, regardless of faction, and Clan vs Clan.

Of course, the civil war involves a faction that doesnt exist and the clan vs clan infighting would be over arguments after losing the Battle of Tukyyid, which also didn't happen... Three times...

[Khalcruth]

Don't forget - we can't have more than two sides at any one time, or Russ's head will explode.

[Deltree Zero]

Bwah haw haw haw haw! You think PGI has plans to employ years of pre written lore in the civil war event? You must be new around here. The civil war may as well be called "floop blop gwoz" for all the lore you can expect to see. Also, don't expect PGI to avoid their precious clans or game breaking mercs for this "all new incredible content". Trust me, you will be way too busy begging for changes, hotfixes and patches to give a single s#!t about how PGI doesn't give a f+#% about lore. Clans auto-won 3 tuk events in a row.... How does that PGI approach to lore grab you?

Edited by Deltree Zero, 15 May 2017 - 03:02 PM.

[Magnus Santini]

Deltree, it wouldn't be my #1 choice.

[Logan812]

I know this is very cynical, but it would be hilarious if they still keep the matchmaking IS vs Clan yet call it "Civil War" (side note: PGI never mentions "FedCom" anywhere - I guess it's just not catchy enough to reel in ex-MWO players and attract new players while showing them the sparkly new Hero mechs they can purchase with real money) just because of the Civil War-era tech. Either way, there certainly won't be any context for the non-lore savvy folk beyond "Here are these two sides. They're fighting each other. Have at it."

Plus, I'm having doubts they'll do the obvious, necessary stuff like removing Smoke Jaguar and replacing it with Nova Cat (preferable because of their massive influence very soon in the timeline,) Diamond Shark, or even Wolf-in-Exile. In roughly two years, they couldn't work in IS vs IS or Clan vs Clan fights (which are canon between certain factions btw) into the Clan Invasion FP even as random battles to break the monotony, so forgive me if I'm also having doubts that they'll spice up the Civil War FP by including side-events like the Jade Falcon territory grab into Lyran space or Draconis Combine vs pretty much everyone else at one point or another (as par for House Kurita.) I guess PGI learned from some of their mistakes though considering at least they didn't give us the finger with $500 golden Civil War mechs.

Edited by Logan812, 16 May 2017 - 04:18 PM.

[Magnus Santini]

Logan, there was a time in the past year when it was not too infrequent for me to have drops against Liao and sometimes Kurita. You are right about not much lore in the game, probably videos would be too expensive, but maybe they could write little snippets for the intro page to help the excitement. I wonder if switching the existing factions around would just drive people crazy or if people would be okay with it. EDIT: Also, FLG, I do get Wolf's Dragoons confused with the Kell Hounds, sorry, I think it is because Morgan Kell was related to Jaime Wolf, which makes my brain hurt

Edited by Magnus Santini, 24 May 2017 - 12:25 PM.