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[Sagamore]

I can't get the brawling Spirit Bear (4 C-SRM-6, 1 C-LB-20X) to work. I've taken it out a few times and got miserably outmaneuvered or outbrawled with it. Prior to skill tree it was one of the premier brawling assaults and I had quite a few 900-1000 damage games under my belt. Now I feel like I can't even turn to shield before I lose a torso.

Anyone having luck or am I right in pronouncing it dead?

Anyone try out any new builds now that it turns like molasses even with full mobility tree?

[Ultimax]

You don't?

It twists as bad as every Atlas no matter how big it's engine is.

At which point, why not just take an AS7-S with a better ballistic and some built in structure quirks?

All for the price of like, 8kph.

[Khobai]

yep just use an atlas lol

they need to significantly buff masc for spirit bear to work again

masc is pretty weaksauce I feel they need to double the duration it lasts before leg damage. you can generally get away with masc lasting 2 turns in tabletop so that should be 20 second in MWO.

buffing masc would give the spirit bear back decent speed/agility for short durations of time

Edited by Khobai, 18 May 2017 - 08:19 PM.

[Remover of Obstacles]

Tried full mobility and armor. Garbage.

Dead.

Brawling and 100 tonners got shafted hard.

[Deathlike]

Khobai, on 18 May 2017 - 08:16 PM, said:

yep just use an atlas lol

they need to significantly buff masc for spirit bear to work again

masc is pretty weaksauce I feel they need to double the duration it lasts before leg damage. you can generally get away with masc lasting 2 turns in tabletop so that should be 20 second in MWO.

buffing masc would give the spirit bear back decent speed/agility for short durations of time

MASC is not the problem.

Executioner is 4x as agile as the Spirit Bear.

[Sagamore]

Remover of Obstacles, on 18 May 2017 - 08:19 PM, said:

Tried full mobility and armor. Garbage.

Dead.

Brawling and 100 tonners got shafted hard.

Yeah I respecced the tree twice, wasting time and money. I don't think MASC is such a gamebreaking piece of equipment that the mech needs to get the same agility as a DWF.

I keep thinking I'll try it as an LRM boat but haven't had the courage to yet.

Edited by Sagamore, 18 May 2017 - 08:24 PM.

[Monkey Lover]

Maybe 4xatm12 bear will be ok hinding in the back. For now its up on blocks for me.

[Shard Phoenix]

Spec'd my Spirit Bear, took it to the testing grounds and was absolutely horrified.

Mothball fleet time.

[chucklesMuch]

so SB is really big paper weight now... greeeeeat.

Out of curiosity how did the splat'o'clopes fare?

[Monkey Lover]

chucklesMuch, on 18 May 2017 - 09:00 PM, said:

so SB is really big paper weight now... greeeeeat.

Out of curiosity how did the splat'o'clopes fare?

Its a 90 ton assault with agility rates of a 60 ton heavy mechs and it never had quirks to drop.

Its going to be everywhere soon, I see it replacing a lot of splat boats and even the atlas brawler with ac20+srm.


well until they nerf it haha

Edited by Monkey Lover, 18 May 2017 - 09:21 PM.

[OmniFail]

Lurms bro.....Lurms

[Cub]

Made a thread about it here: https://mwomercs.com...o-proof-inside/

And a video here:




And as a means to deal with my pain over this, I found it cathartic to write out all acc/dec rates as follows to point out how insane all of this is:

Lights
Adder Prime= Acc: 43.8 / Dec: 65.7
Arctic Cheetah Prime= Acc: 50 / Dec: 84.16
Commando-20 = Acc: 80 / Dec: 140
Firestarter 9-E = Acc: 43.08 / Dec: 65.7
Jenner-D = Acc: 63.85 / Dec: 85
Jenner IIC = Acc: 50 / Dec: 72.14
Kit Fox = Acc: 50 / Dec: 84.16
Locust-IV = Acc: 84.6 / Dec: 182.5
Mist Lynx Prime = Acc: 59.24 / Dec: 113
Panther -10k = Acc: 43.08 / Dec: 65.7
Spider – 5V = Acc: 75.39 / Dec: 111.66
Urbanmech – R63 = Acc: 50 / Dec: 84.16
Wolfhound – 2 = Acc:54.63 / Dec: 76.42
Mediums
Blackjack – 1 = Acc: 31.55 / Dec: 42.77
Bushwacker – X1 = Acc: 26.94 / Dec: 32.27
Centurion 9-1 = Acc: 29.26 / Dec: 37
Cicada 3-M = Acc: 54.63 / Dec: 68.87
Crab 27 = Acc: 29.26 / Dec: 37
Enforcer – 1N = Acc: 29.26 / Dec: 37
Griffin – IN = Acc: 26.94 / Dec: 32.27
Hunchback – 4G = Acc: 29.26 / Dec: 37
Hunchback IIC = Acc: 20.02 / Dec: 31
Hunstman Prime = 29.26 / Dec: 37
Ice Ferret Prime = Acc: 62.2 / Dec: 62.77
Kintaro = Acc:33.86 / Dec: 36.36
Nova Prime = Acc: 29.26 / Dec: 37
Phoenix Hawk – 1 = Acc: 52.31 / Dec: 57.77
Shadow Cat Prime = Acc: 39.78 / Dec: 50.72
Shadow Hawk – 2H = Acc: 26.94 / Dec: 32.27
Stormcrow Prime = Acc: 31.55 / Dec: 35
Trebuchet -7M = Acc: 29.26 / Dec: 37
Vindicator 1SIB = Acc: 31.55 / Dec: 42.77
Viper Prime = Acc: 83.09 / 97.87
Heavies
Archer – 2R = Acc: 20.2 / Dec: 22.14
Black Knight – 6 = Acc: 24.63 / Dec: 22.66
Cataphract – 3D = Acc: 20.2 / Dec: 22.14
Catapult – C1 = Acc: 22.33 / Dec: 25
Dragon – 1N = Acc: 47.71 / Dec: 40.83
Ebon Jaguar Prime = Acc: 22.33 / Dec: 25
Grasshopper – 5J = Acc: 29.26 / Dec: 26.42
Hellbringer Prime = Acc: 22.33 / Dec: 25
Jagermech – DD = Acc: 22.33 / Dec: 25
Linebacker Prime = Acc: 49.94 / Dec: 40.19
Mad Dog Prime = Acc: 24.63 / Dec: 28.33
Marauder -3R = Acc: 24.63 / Dec: 22.66
Night Gyr Prime = Acc: 13.11 / Dec: 17.66
Orion – P = Acc: 17.72 /Dec: 19.66
Orion IIC = Acc: 17.72 / Dec: 19.66
Quickdraw -4G = Acc: 47.71 / Dec: 40.83
Rifleman -3N = Acc: 24.63 / Dec: 28.33
Summoner Prime = Acc: 40.79 / Dec: 31.78
Thunderbolt -5S = Acc: 22.33 / Dec:25
Timber Wolf Prime = Acc: 19.48 / Dec: 21.63 (other variants 17.72/19.66)
Warhammer – 6R = Acc: 20.2 / Dec: 22.14
Assualts
Atlas – D = Acc: 6.19 / Dec: 11
Awesome – BQ = Acc: 15.41 / Dec: 17.5
Banshee – LM = Acc: 17.72 / Dec: 15.52
Battlemaster – 1G = Acc: 20.02 / Dec: 18.23
Cyclops 11-A = Acc: 24.63 / Dec: 18.88
Direwolf Prime = Acc: 6.19 / Dec: 11
Executioner Prime = Acc: 24.63 / Dec: 17.89
Gargoyle Prime = Acc: 29.26 / Dec: 23.12
Highlander – HM = Acc: 22.33 / Dec: 18.05
Highlander IIC = Acc: 20.02 / Dec: 17.22
King Crab – 000 = Acc: 6.19 / Dec: 11
Kodiak -3 = Acc: 6.19 / Dec: 11
Marauder IIC = Acc: 13.11 / Dec: 15.58
Mauler – 1R = Acc: 10.79 / Dec: 13.88
Stalker – 5M = Acc: 13.11 / Dec: 15.58
Supernova – 1 = Acc: 15.41 / Dec: 15.55
Victor – DS = Acc: 24.63 / Dec: 21.25
Warhawk Prime = Acc: 17.72 / Dec: 17.35
Zeus – 6S = 26.94 / Dec: 22.18


Finally, I hope if we make a enough noise, something will be changed and improved...not just for the Spirit Bear, but ALL 100 ton mechs. Personally, I love facing King Crabs, Atlas', and Dire Wolves and believe they all have been unfairly nerfed into the ground.

[Khobai]

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MASC is not the problem.

Executioner is 4x as agile as the Spirit Bear.

The Executioner should be more agile than the spirit bear though, working as intended.

[Gibson Ibanez]

My Spirit Bear has been pushed to the back lines when she used to lead the charge and wreck face.

If you decided to make the SB as sluggish as an Atlas then PLEASE give it decent armor quirks also or at least SOME. PLEASE!



Pretty please? I paid alot of money for her and her sisters... now they are all high maintenance.

Edited by Gibson Ibanez, 07 June 2017 - 01:05 PM.

[kapusta11]

Step 1
Sell it

Step 2
Buy Scorch

[Davegt27]

unless you been living under a rock the SB is dead

OP did bring up a point for a new thread

Edited by Davegt27, 07 June 2017 - 02:06 PM.

[Snazzy Dragon]

Just play an atlas instead.

[Ahh Screw it - WATCH THIS]

kapusta11, on 07 June 2017 - 01:57 PM, said:

Step 1
Sell it

Step 2
Buy Scorch

Why would you buy a Scorch now that it is getting nerfed in the next update?

[Baulven]

Buy a mechbay and then buy an executioner of choice. It's got a smaller payload available but is much faster and still has the MASC. It will require you to change u0 your expectations a bit.

[MischiefSC]

You just play it with a 375xl and add 2 LPLs. Firepower, survival, ops and utility (coolshot) and ignore mobility. More firepower than an Atlas, you run it like a bomber just like the other assaults.

You can't play it lime you used to but that doesn't mean it doesn't work. The extra structure on the Atlas is worthless if you get caught flat footed. SB has more total firepower and is a bit faster but less health, but mostly higher mounts.