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[Jay Leon Hart]

The6thMessenger, on 30 May 2017 - 04:29 PM, said:

No it's not, the CT energy mounts are reasonably high already.

And the HBK is nimble enough without the JJs. Looks like a trade off.

The6thMessenger, on 30 May 2017 - 04:29 PM, said:

Clearly, said statement is just a cop-out. Cause it is demonstrable that DW is certainly a downgrade.

Except is isn't, it's just what you value more. I value the higher mount more than the JJs. You value the JJs more than the higher mount.

The6thMessenger, on 30 May 2017 - 04:29 PM, said:

No i don't want it to be an upgrade nor a downgrade, just a side-grade. Is that really hard to understand?

Well congratulations! It is a side grade. Whether you think the trade off is worth it or not, is down to you.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Aramuside, on 31 May 2017 - 03:48 AM, said:

Not to be rude but are you including the scout matches capped at 50 tons in that? If so its no mystery why there were so many 50 ton Nova and HBK IIC. Not that I trust those figures as apparently there were no Huntsmen and Night Gyr (despite having seen them in huge numbers for the 9 days.

AHA! They provided Scouting only stats, I evidently missed them. Time to edit!

I, too, was puzzled at the lack of HMNs and NTGs, as well as a lack of MAD-IICs. I saw plenty of the former in Scouting and lots of the latter 2 in "Invasion".

[The6thMessenger]

Jay Leon Hart, on 31 May 2017 - 08:52 AM, said:

And the HBK is nimble enough without the JJs. Looks like a trade off.

Sure it may be nimble enough, but the issue is the bad deal. What the loadout the DW offers, is not enough to cover for the lost JJs.

Jay Leon Hart, on 31 May 2017 - 08:52 AM, said:

Except is isn't, it's just what you value more. I value the higher mount more than the JJs. You value the JJs more than the higher mount.

No, it is.

Jay Leon Hart, on 31 May 2017 - 08:52 AM, said:

Well congratulations! It is a side grade. Whether you think the trade off is worth it or not, is down to you.

No it's not, and I just demonstrated it.

Yes, it is up to us whether we like DW or not, or if we would buy it. However as i have shown you, you know the HBK-IIC-C builds we've before, it's completely capable of doing all the builds you thought you'd like, with only the difference of a lower mount which is still reasonably high, and then the jump jets.

The highmounts are far more situational because not everything in the battlefield is a hill. While a JJ not only works for poptarting, also for traversing high places like Canyon-Network, or Mining Colony -- it's more useful at most cases.

It is a downgrade. No matter how hard you appeal to subjectivity, i demonstrated it to be a fact by comparing it to an existing variant. It's just like math, how is that hard to understand?

Edited by The6thMessenger, 31 May 2017 - 03:25 PM.

[Jay Leon Hart]

*sigh*

The6thMessenger, on 31 May 2017 - 03:15 PM, said:

It is a downgrade. No matter how hard you appeal to subjectivity, i demonstrated it to be a fact by comparing it to an existing variant. It's just like math, how is that hard to understand?

I agree, if you can not accept that my opinion differs from yours. I sold my HBK-IIC-C because the CT mount was not high enough for me. So it is still, in fact, not high enough for me. Please, continue talking to the wall, I give up. You "win".

Edited by Jay Leon Hart, 01 June 2017 - 07:30 AM.

[Rushin Roulette]

SirSoggyDog, on 19 May 2017 - 02:32 PM, said:

I know it says artwork doesn't match, but these mechs are not at all the ones pictured.

Am I the only one who pictured Obi Wan Kenobi after reading this line?

[Pope RW]

I'll consider buying new mechs once PGI has released 5 new maps

[Aramuside]

Pope RW, on 01 June 2017 - 11:59 AM, said:

I'll consider buying new mechs once PGI has released 5 new maps

Amazingly enough - not sure we cared but thank you for telling us that amazing "alternate fact".

[The6thMessenger]

Jay Leon Hart, on 01 June 2017 - 07:30 AM, said:

I agree, if you can not accept that my opinion differs from yours. I sold my HBK-IIC-C because the CT mount was not high enough for me. So it is still, in fact, not high enough for me.

So you sold HBK-IIC (prime) too? Key phrase, "for me".

It's not going to be completely good for hill-humping, try it with poptarting. Likewise actually being mobile, cause there's something more than just hill-humping in MWO.

Jay Leon Hart, on 01 June 2017 - 07:30 AM, said:

Please, continue talking to the wall, I give up. You "win".

If it helps you sleep at night.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 01 June 2017 - 04:06 PM.

[MovinTarget]

Pope RW, on 01 June 2017 - 11:59 AM, said:

I'll consider buying new mechs once PGI has released 5 new maps

Aramuside, on 01 June 2017 - 01:22 PM, said:

Amazingly enough - not sure we cared but thank you for telling us that amazing "alternate fact".

But maps are the answer to everything!


I wonder if there are 5 more map "themes" out there that differ from the ones we have in QP and FP now...

1) Completely subterranean? All the Lurmers would love that one...

2) Large Urban sprawl? Wahhh the ankle biters are OP!

3) Maze? I actually did one of these in the MW4 Map builder... we could never find each other to fight...

4) Multilevel? Think giant parking garage

5) Mini King of the Hill? 1k x 1k map with steep incline to center of the map on all sides.