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[Gas Guzzler]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 19 May 2017 - 02:33 PM, said:

The Highlander IIC is just odd as well, it doesn't have the speed to brawl but for range all it can do is be a much worse Night Gyr.

If they gave it MASC I would buy it. As it is.. yeah a Night Gyr plus some ATMs maybe but its so far from an optimal loadout... nah.

I guess if they gave it a second energy HP in the left arm it would be blatantly P2W.

[FupDup]

cazidin, on 19 May 2017 - 02:54 PM, said:

Who, exactly, asked for any of these?

[Felicitatem Parco]

Hey, the hunchback can bring a Gauss and 5 ML...

... Like a weaker, slower, downgunned, non-ECM Hellbringer!


(I think someone at PGI forgot these are BattleMechs and hit then with the nerf bat as if they were Omnis)

Edited by Prosperity Park, 19 May 2017 - 03:15 PM.

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Yeonne Greene, on 19 May 2017 - 02:35 PM, said:

That Jenner...what even the ****?

I guess HMGs and a cHLL might be worth something, but goddamn that's bad. Those are the hardpoints that should be on the Locust 1V!

Also, I wish they would stop advertising these things with loadouts that are 100% impossible to mount. It's very misleading.

Don't backtalk the 6 MG Jenner bruh. It will have a DEVASTATING effect on the back of a Kodiak!

Prosperity Park, on 19 May 2017 - 03:13 PM, said:

Hey, the hunchback can bring a Gauss and 5 ML...

... Like a weaker, slower, downgunned, non-ECM Hellbringer!

The obvious meta loadout for the Hunch will be ERPPC + Gauss hill humping. That's basically all it can do.

Andi Nagasia, on 19 May 2017 - 02:47 PM, said:

sadly because of all the P2W when a Clan Hero is announced,
PGI has set to make Clan Heros Meh as not to be called making things P2W,

There is a pretty big difference between a Clan hero OMNIMECH and a Clan hero BATTLEMECH. One can mix and match hardpoints to create the best layout possible while the other has to deal with both its pros and cons permanently.

Edited by FupDup, 19 May 2017 - 03:17 PM.

[Felicitatem Parco]

FupDup, on 19 May 2017 - 03:14 PM, said:

The obvious meta loadout for the Hunch will be ERPPC + Gauss poptarting. That's basically all it can do.

No, it can't. No JJs.

[FupDup]

Prosperity Park, on 19 May 2017 - 03:16 PM, said:

No, it can't. No JJs.

Oh...crap. I assumed it would be like all the others. :\

Then I guess just hillhumping lol.

[Felicitatem Parco]

FupDup, on 19 May 2017 - 03:15 PM, said:

There is a pretty big difference between a Clan hero OMNIMECH and a Clan hero BATTLEMECH. One can mix and match hardpoints to create the best layout possible while the other has to deal with both its pros and cons permanently.

Haha! I beat you to it! Ninja'd

FupDup, on 19 May 2017 - 03:17 PM, said:

Oh...crap. I assumed it would be like all the others. :\

Then I guess just hillhumping lol.

You assumed it would be functional? You got brass balls, my friend.

Okay, okay...

Someone quickly photoshop a picture of Caitlin Jenner with 6 Machineguns and a spider for a head...

[YourSaviorLegion]

I want to know who at PGI thought these were even remotely a good idea, these are some of the worst hard points ever!

[Moebius Pi]

Art aside (and I rather like the camo specs, even with the nonsensical weapon mockups):

Highlander IIC Hero; Humanoid Scorch. Slower moving, but with JJs. Not really pay to win, but some who like that chassis may dig that for heavy hitting loadout. Maybe ATMs will give it a bit better options range wise?

Orion IIC Hero; Loyalty Phract Lite (less tanky unless we see quirks) with Clan Tech. Never liked the Orions, between a seemingly buggy weapon nipple directing damage to the rear, and the low mounts, but you could do some punchy loadouts at least. Tough to say how well Masc will benefit as a blast and a fade with how accel/deacell hit 75 tonners. Of all of them, I'm the most leery about this one. Maybe Civil war tech will give it something unexpected, too tired to think on this one.

Hunchback IIC Hero: I dunno here... 1 Gauss, 5 ER meds or MPL? Some Meds or MPL and a UAC20? Is a 2 PPC + Gauss loadout possible? Bunch of ERLL and Gauss? I really don't have the wakefulness to look at engine weights, crit space and so on, but I figure there's at least something enjoyable in there, maybe something rather viable. It doesn't seem -bad-. Pretty sure I could get something I'd be very content with set up on it.

Edit: a bunch of posts while I slowly, and tiredly typed this **** out. Well, at least I wasn't entirely off the mark lol.

Jenner IIC Hero: Pure entertainment with small ballistic AC/UAC/LBX2s given the engines, and a supplementary laser. Not sure if you could cram a Gauss rifle in there (I've had my fun with 1 Gauss, 2 med Kit foxes and the like for entertainment), or a uac10 or 20 and still move at a zippy clip, but this looks more like $10 of fun than "I want my pay to win meta but... don't want pay to win. But really I do." If they toss it into smurphy's I'll have a peek at what abomination is possible. Boom-chicken Jenner IIC perhaps?

Edited by Moebius Pi, 19 May 2017 - 03:24 PM.

[InvictusLee]

Bandilly, on 19 May 2017 - 03:05 PM, said:

I gotta give a big complaint on the artwork. I understand when they use the base/prime model's stock config and are just showing off the camo scheme,..but what is shown here is just an atrocity.

Seriously. Its irritating AF.

[Templar Dane]

November11th, on 19 May 2017 - 03:34 PM, said:

Seriously. Its irritating AF.

When I saw the thumbnail I was like sweet I can do my oddball single ballistic and 4x erml build on that and be bett.........wait, only one more laser and no jumpjets?

Oh well maybe this orion will be cool since it has MASC and.........way less hardpoints.

Okay well I'm sure this highlander will.......have zero redeeming value.

lol machine gun jenner I'm sure lots of people will want that

[Ghogiel]

Monkey Lover, on 19 May 2017 - 02:19 PM, said:

https://mwomercs.com/clan-iic-heroes

These have to be some of the worst hardpoints i have seen.

garbage.

[Gas Guzzler]

ER PPC-Gauss Corner poking with MASC on the Orion might not be bad.

[WrathOfDeadguy]

Am I really the only one who saw that Jenner and immediately thought "here's my next AC20 troll"? It's got high mounts and everything! My UAC20 Adder is already jealous.

The Hunchback... well, the hardpoints might be a little meh at first glance, but it does still have the two high mounts (UAC+PPC, Gauss+PPC, UAC or Gauss and LPL, Gauss+HLL when new tech drops...) and 5E 1B overall is nothing to sneeze at with Clantech. Heck, it'd be a pretty solid hardpoint spread for an IS 50-tonner too (ENF-4R comes to mind, and that only has the one high mount). Then there's the name.

The Orion's an Orion, and the Highlander's a Highlander. Did anybody really expect those to be dazzling?

[Cy Mitchell]

I read through the whole thread and there was not one accusation of "P2W"!

"Hot garbage", yes but no P2W. I guess there is just no middle ground.

[Y E O N N E]

Rampage, on 19 May 2017 - 05:06 PM, said:

I read through the whole thread and there was not one accusation of "P2W"!

"Hot garbage", yes but no P2W. I guess there is just no middle ground.

There is a middle ground. See: Locust, Marauder, Black Knight, Timberwolf, Catapult, Jagermech, Blackjack, etc...

[Trenchbird]

I love the irony of people going, "Clan Wave Heros are OP!" and got immediately less angry when PGI nerfed them because of P2W accusations, but people are complaining when the IIC heros kind of suck. What did you think would happen, especially when at least two of these chassis are considered very good to start with? That PGI would risk getting accused of pushing for P2W again?

See, what kind of impresses me, even after dealing with an altogether salty forum fanbase for years, is that PGI still hasn't gone to a P2W path, and are still trying decently (Especially recently). Sure, they are stubborn at times, but they were starting to reach the "Any progress is good progress" level.

Edited by Catten Hart, 19 May 2017 - 05:13 PM.

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Catten Hart, on 19 May 2017 - 05:12 PM, said:

I love the irony of people going, "Clan Wave Heros are OP!" and got immediately less angry when PGI nerfed them because of P2W accusations, but people are complaining when the IIC heros kind of suck. What did you think would happen, especially when at least two of these chassis are considered very good to start with? That PGI would risk getting accused of pushing for P2W again?

See, what kind of impresses me, even after dealing with an altogether salty forum fanbase for years, is that PGI still hasn't gone to a P2W path, and are still trying decently (Especially recently). Sure, they are stubborn at times, but they were starting to reach the "Any progress is good progress" level.

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FupDup, on 19 May 2017 - 03:15 PM, said:

There is a pretty big difference between a Clan hero OMNIMECH and a Clan hero BATTLEMECH. One can mix and match hardpoints to create the best layout possible while the other has to deal with both its pros and cons permanently.

[LordNothing]

ballistic jenner <3

what i dont like is their teaser pics, a lot of them show loadouts that are actually impossible if you look at their hardpoint info.

Edited by LordNothing, 19 May 2017 - 05:21 PM.

[WrathOfDeadguy]

The Hunchback's loadout flat out breaks the laws of physics. It's got more than 50 tons' worth of guns on it. 30 tons' worth of PPCs, another 20 tons of UACs, some kind of laser, and an AMS- minimum 52 tons, assuming you want only a half ton of ammo each for the UACs and AMS. Throw in the engine and armor and you're looking at a 65-ton 50 tonner, easy.

Edited by WrathOfDeadguy, 19 May 2017 - 05:35 PM.