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[justcallme A S H]

slide, on 25 May 2017 - 10:13 PM, said:

Well if they need to sync drop in QP then they probably aren't worth worrying about.

OC looks like sync drops all the time anyway, same few people game after game after game.

Ye basically.

Usually the same 24 v 24 almost match after match, it can't be avoided really.

[Jingseng]

imho, the only time 'sync dropping' becomes a legit threat to 'fairness' is in abusing tonnage limits in group drops.

so:

1) not even a thing in solo queue

2) not even a thing until your group has 4 pilots

3) not even a thing until you have at least 5 pilots willing to try (because solo queue and group queue's don't mix, so you can't do 3 + 1... at minimum 3 +2)

4) You still might not all appear on the same side

5) If anyone bothered to add up and compare the tonnages, you'd be pretty blatantly guilty of gaming the MM system

6) The payoff is higher tonnage (presumably leading to a payoff in win/stats... all of which is, frankly, 0 value outside of marginally reduced (marginal, because it is not certain you wouldn't have won anyway) cbill and xp grind times)... and that's IF you all appear on the same side.

7) there is no clear benefit to having done so when sync groups appear on opposing sides

8) abusing tonnage limits would presumably make it harder to sync onto the same side, assuming MM also attempts to roughly balance tonnages

For something that has so many things working against it to intentionally do, the risk vs. reward seems pretty craptacular.

If some few do, well... spend your time catching and punishing them seems a much better use of your time and energy than forum posts to people who decidedly don't see it as a problem.

If all you want to do is BMW rant, ok, but don't expect anyone to take your side or change their minds. In fact, accept that most people are going to point out the silliness of what you are saying and treat you accordingly.

[Johnny Z]

Jingseng, on 25 May 2017 - 10:31 PM, said:

imho, the only time 'sync dropping' becomes a legit threat to 'fairness' is in abusing tonnage limits in group drops.

so:

1) not even a thing in solo queue

2) not even a thing until your group has 4 pilots

3) not even a thing until you have at least 5 pilots willing to try (because solo queue and group queue's don't mix, so you can't do 3 + 1... at minimum 3 +2)

4) You still might not all appear on the same side

5) If anyone bothered to add up and compare the tonnages, you'd be pretty blatantly guilty of gaming the MM system

6) The payoff is higher tonnage (presumably leading to a payoff in win/stats... all of which is, frankly, 0 value outside of marginally reduced (marginal, because it is not certain you wouldn't have won anyway) cbill and xp grind times)... and that's IF you all appear on the same side.

7) there is no clear benefit to having done so when sync groups appear on opposing sides

8) abusing tonnage limits would presumably make it harder to sync onto the same side, assuming MM also attempts to roughly balance tonnages

For something that has so many things working against it to intentionally do, the risk vs. reward seems pretty craptacular.

If some few do, well... spend your time catching and punishing them seems a much better use of your time and energy than forum posts to people who decidedly don't see it as a problem.

If all you want to do is BMW rant, ok, but don't expect anyone to take your side or change their minds. In fact, accept that most people are going to point out the silliness of what you are saying and treat you accordingly.

You realize synch dropping is against the code of conduct no matter how you have convinced yourself otherwise right?

Trying to explain right from wrong to some who obviously doesn't know the meaning of the words is to much to do here. But its against the code of conduct because its exploiting/cheating the match maker if for no other reason.

Now maybe you wake up and realize your reply is messed up and that would be good for you.

Live and learn don't feel to bad. Also it seems there are a fair number who don't think this is a problem so I can understand others getting it wrong also.

Edited by Johnny Z, 25 May 2017 - 11:02 PM.

[Escef]

Ok, sync dropping, really?

Firstly, I can not recall PGI ever saying anything about banning sync drops, calling it an exploit, or labeling it against the ToS.

Secondly, even if it were, hard to prove.

Third... I HAVE sync dropped, both on my own livestream and with xImpalerx. And you know what? People are more concerned with being in the same match. Maybe we end up on the same team, and help each other a bit. Maybe we end up on opposite teams and try to kill each other. Just as likely, we end up in different matches.

This idea that sync dropping is some magical, game destroying exploit is farcical.

Edited by Escef, 25 May 2017 - 10:54 PM.

[Sarsaparilla Kid]

Sync-dropping was more of an issue when we had the Elo system in the matchmaker, where those with sky-high Elo could sync drop fairly easily, usually ending up in the same match though not always on the same team. Now, with the matchmaker pulling 2-3 tiers at a time (and sometimes 4 tiers) into one match, that makes it a lot harder to do, unless population has dropped to the point that the game just isn't fun anymore.

[justcallme A S H]

Johnny Z, on 25 May 2017 - 10:39 PM, said:

You realize synch dropping is against the code of conduct no matter how you have convinced yourself otherwise right?

Care to point out the paragraph that backs up what you are saying?

https://mwomercs.com/conduct

And, before you try to say this single line covers it:

• Exploiting or manipulating the matchmaking system.

It does not. I know you don't know why, so, I'll tell you.

1. In times of low population in particular (IE. every Oceanic 8hr cycle) it is literally impossible to stop this from happening.
2. You could be on separate sides, in effect it actually makes the game potentially much more balanced.
3. Even in GQ - Dropping in 4 man teams to get more tonnage is fine. You might be practising lance movements and again you might be paired AGAINST each other, in fact there is a 50% chance of that happening.

If it was not allowed people would be getting banned weekly. The fact that no one has been banned for it, means PGI logically understand the situation.

So as proven, it is NOT against the Conduct. So guess what are you going to try and straw-clutch at next?

[Jingseng]

Johnny Z, on 25 May 2017 - 10:39 PM, said:

You realize synch dropping is against the code of conduct no matter how you have convinced yourself otherwise right?

Trying to explain right from wrong to some who obviously doesn't know the meaning of the words is to much to do here. But its against the code of conduct because its exploiting/cheating the match maker if for no other reason.

Now maybe you wake up and realize your reply is messed up and that would be good for you.

Live and learn don't feel to bad.

You realize I in no way endorsed it, but pointed out that your (and others) constant accusations are more likely pointing at coincidence than intent...

But education itself is too large a topic to cover here. Someone who is unable to use basic words and grammar properly is someone who is unable to convey thoughts and meanings properly. And so I am not surprised that your reading comprehension level is so low.

I thought I would give you a chance, despite the overall opinion on this forum of you, and that chance has been spent.

Incidentally, your response is not helping your "i'm not taking it seriously" argument.

And lastly, there is a very fundamental, basic, and even glaringly obvious difference between the words "to" and "too".

[Johnny Z]

Jingseng, on 25 May 2017 - 11:05 PM, said:

You realize I in no way endorsed it, but pointed out that your (and others) constant accusations are more likely pointing at coincidence than intent...

But education itself is too large a topic to cover here. Someone who is unable to use basic words and grammar properly is someone who is unable to convey thoughts and meanings properly. And so I am not surprised that your reading comprehension level is so low.

I thought I would give you a chance, despite the overall opinion on this forum of you, and that chance has been spent.

Incidentally, your response is not helping your "i'm not taking it seriously" argument.

And lastly, there is a very fundamental, basic, and even glaringly obvious difference between the words "to" and "too".

I was trying to be nice because one day someone will read that reply and think you have no concept of right and wrong.

You basically said synch dropping isn't a "threat" straight out. Then went on to write off as harmless.

I then tried to make you feel better because many seem to think synch dropping is just normal game play and that your obviously scewed view was actually quite common it would seem.

I do find it humorous. Because none of these replies are a surprise to me. It aint easy being right all the time.

Edited by Johnny Z, 25 May 2017 - 11:10 PM.

[Johnny Z]

justcallme A S H, on 25 May 2017 - 11:01 PM, said:

Care to point out the paragraph that backs up what you are saying?

https://mwomercs.com/conduct

And, before you try to say this single line covers it:

• Exploiting or manipulating the matchmaking system.

It does not. I know you don't know why, so, I'll tell you.

1. In times of low population in particular (IE. every Oceanic 8hr cycle) it is literally impossible to stop this from happening.
2. You could be on separate sides, in effect it actually makes the game potentially much more balanced.
3. Even in GQ - Dropping in 4 man teams to get more tonnage is fine. You might be practising lance movements and again you might be paired AGAINST each other, in fact there is a 50% chance of that happening.

If it was not allowed people would be getting banned weekly. The fact that no one has been banned for it, means PGI logically understand the situation.

So as proven, it is NOT against the Conduct. So guess what are you going to try and straw-clutch at next?

It actually is.

Will those saying they have been synch dropping get banned is the question. I'm just a player saying it like it is. May want to rethink a few things some of you guys instead of trying to straighten me out lol.

Edited by Johnny Z, 25 May 2017 - 11:13 PM.

[justcallme A S H]

Johnny Z, on 25 May 2017 - 11:12 PM, said:

It actually is.

Will those saying they have been synch dropping get banned is the question. I'm just a player saying it like it is. May want to rethink a few things some of you guys instead of trying to straighten me out lol.

If it was against the Conduct/ToS or whatever, people would be getting warned and/or banned.

This has never happened because you are not manipulating a thing. The games matchmaker still applies. A point you fail to understand.

Therefore by applying a simple thing called, LOGIC, it is logically not against it.

No one has been warned/banned and never will be. It's perfectly OK.

So now Cobra & your arguments are well and truly nullfied in the real world example scenario - What are you going to claim now? Oh ye, you've fresh outta crap to try and spin. Sorry to spoil your party yet again. It's becoming a bit boring having to trot out fact/reality to a few people around here, you guys just live in an ignorant bubble.

[Jingseng]

added to my "yet to see this person post anything of cognizable worth in dozens of posts and thus probably safe to ignore" list

[KingCobra]

Andi Nagasia, on 25 May 2017 - 09:13 PM, said:

well i would ask how many were there in game, you say 90% so was it 10 people and 9 where on one side?
thats also unlikely, as all 10 would have to be in the same tier and the MM had to put them on the same side,
thats Lotto levels of lucky, not saying it couldnt happen, as it could but its extremely rare,

that said i may know how things like this happen,
when i drop with my Unit, we usually have Comp Practices,
after we split off and most of the time we do Pug Drops to test load outs,
some times we link up, we arnt meaning to Sync drop we just do,

that said when we do, do such, i usually dont see more than 1-2 of my Unit Mates in match,
and usually they are on the opposite team, i give my usual (o7) to my Unit Mate, and play as normal,

Well AndI what I meant was 90% of the sync droppers I noticed were on the same team and it was in combinations of 2-3 players per match that I have observed this over a 2 week period. This is in fact a breach of the code of conduct from my point of view.

I did report a few that I had time to in a few matches so a record of it could be there for PGI -so- was the last unit tonight I saw sync dropping.Does it affect matches? I would say yes and unbalances matches for other players which means they are losing out on rewards and C-bills fairly.

Its amazing how the haters come out of the woodwork and take things so far as insulting me personally if you could ban them for a few weeks like you have me on many occasions that would be great Thanks for your answers and information on sync dropping Andi?

[Johnny Z]

justcallme A S H, on 25 May 2017 - 11:18 PM, said:

If it was against the Conduct/ToS or whatever, people would be getting warned and/or banned.

This has never happened because you are not manipulating a thing. The games matchmaker still applies. A point you fail to understand.

Therefore by applying a simple thing called, LOGIC, it is logically not against it.

No one has been warned/banned and never will be. It's perfectly OK.

So now Cobra & your arguments are well and truly nullfied in the real world example scenario - What are you going to claim now? Oh ye, you've fresh outta crap to try and spin. Sorry to spoil your party yet again. It's becoming a bit boring having to trot out fact/reality to a few people around here, you guys just live in an ignorant bubble.

What ever. Not my problem.

Edited by Johnny Z, 26 May 2017 - 12:15 AM.

[Hindenhoot]

I've synced dropped a few times when we couldn't get a GQ game (often happens prime time Australia when US and EU are sleeping/working).

When my friends are on the other team we usually call each other out as priority focus targets and focus fire each other

When we are on the same team we usually talk amongst ourselves on our Teamspeak.

This game has some issues, this isn't even close to being one.

[justcallme A S H]

KingCobra, on 25 May 2017 - 11:32 PM, said:

This is in fact a breach of the code of conduct from my point of view.

Cool, you've got an opinion on what you believe it should be. That's great, really.

The fact is though, it is not a breach at all.

So this thread is serving little purpose at this stage.

[Chound]

Trev Firestorm, on 25 May 2017 - 09:23 PM, said:

Sync dropping is: unnecessary due to group queue; not really a problem anyway due to ingame voip. Seriously who cares, why is this a topic?
Oh and usually end up split between teams.

there are times when the wait in group queue is too long or if there is an oddball number number involved. the MM will lnot allow a group of 11 in the game so if 11 people wanted to dropthey would need to break up into separate groups and then try a sync drop if the two teams wanted to go together. sometimes they would end up on different teams or even different drops. There are a number of variables involved

[meteorol]

Oh well, we are at it again.

Yes synchdropping is possible. No, it's not an overly important issue. Chances are, that 90% of the synchdrops you are seeing are coincidence.

I'm in a 5 man unit. Only RL friends. Even two of us ended in the same match by accident because i didn't check if someone was online before i queued in solo queue. If something like that happens in a 5 man unit, it's not hard to imagine how easily it can happen in a unit with 300 members.

As for deliberately doing it... while it's possible, the successrate seems to be something like 1/3, at max. If someone wants to spent 2/3 of the evening "not" playing with his friends... well i guess than he can't be helped.

[Gwei Loong]

justcallme A S H, on 25 May 2017 - 11:59 PM, said:

Cool, you've got an opinion on what you believe it should be. That's great, really.

The fact is though, it is not a breach at all.

So this thread is serving little purpose at this stage.

Not just an opinion. The last thread on this topic got locked. Anyway if you want to sync drop check out some of the TS and Discord channels. https://www.mechspec...rver-list.8806/

Sometimes if I find the right channels I have heard guys talking about games I was in. Not hard to do but either way synchronized dropping is obviously an exploit.

https://mwomercs.com...ms/page__st__40

Synchronized dropping is an attempted exploitation or manipulation of the matchmaking system, and is thus a violation of the Code of Conduct.

As noted in the thread above, such misconduct can be reported for game moderator review. This can be done through the in-game player context-menu or by emailing moderation@mwomercs.com with any details and/or evidence available. Considering the nature of the violation, the latter may be more useful. The report may then be reviewed to investigate potentially problematic behavior or circumstances of coincidence.

Edited by Gwei Loong, 26 May 2017 - 01:36 AM.

[Gwei Loong]

Jingseng, on 25 May 2017 - 10:31 PM, said:

7) there is no clear benefit to having done so when sync groups appear on opposing sides

Trust me when I say you'd rather have them all on the same side. If a persons only objective is to mess with somebody like the OP; or to club seals and talk crap then they do not need to be on the same team.

Edited by Gwei Loong, 26 May 2017 - 02:06 AM.

[sycocys]

KingCobra, on 25 May 2017 - 11:32 PM, said:

Well AndI what I meant was 90% of the sync droppers I noticed were on the same team and it was in combinations of 2-3 players per match that I have observed this over a 2 week period.

2-3 Players isn't sync dropping groups. And it's certainly not overloading or detrimental to the pug match balance.