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[Ted Wayz]

oldradagast, on 06 June 2017 - 05:40 PM, said:

While there are no shortage of bad players of all types, I do agree that the LRM players who are terrible tend to stand out more. Part of that, in my experience, is the strange temptation to make LRM boats with basically no close-in weapons. They then either get too close and die helpless, or stand 999 meters away (to avoid that fate) and fail to do much.

I agree. But those same players and posts about LRM bads do help the good boaters. I can't tell you the number of times a light has marched up with impunity only to get a face full of lasers or srms. Even heavy and mediums and heavies can get overconfident when they see a LRM boat, especially an IS one. I sometimes make a point to get noticed knowing they will try and close. Then I kite them or finish them off depending.

I get it though, the majority want to feel what they are doing is special. Even though in most cases it is just copying whatever anyone else is doing to varying degrees of success.

[Magnus Santini]

People scoff at splashed damage being wasted, but I am happy to fight an enemy at 75-90% who has less armor everywhere, because they are going to die sooner wherever they get shot.
Magnus sez, remember, kids, hit "R" if you see a robot.

[Bulletsponge0]

Not pressing the R button could actually be considered "assisting the enemy" and be a reportable offense

[TKSax]

Bulletsponge0, on 08 June 2017 - 04:48 PM, said:

Not pressing the R button could actually be considered "assisting the enemy" and be a reportable offense

LOL no.

[Bulletsponge0]

TKSax, on 08 June 2017 - 04:58 PM, said:

LOL no.

it is assisting the enemy when a teammate allows an enemy mech to walk up behind a friendly and backstab him... a simple press of the R button can alert the friendly and save his life

[Maker L106]

So, devils advocate here...

If you have a team of 4 LRM boats... and you all don't hold locks... just cause... the LRM guys aren't why you lost, the fact you omitted the LRM guys indirect fire capabilities is why you MAY have lost.

I've seen some LRM users (granted not boats) do what they do and fire support very well when teamed up with a NARC equipped mech or someone actively tagging. I've even seen organizers (randoms who just man handle and organize an entire pug into a workable somewhat functioning squad) show up and not only give the LRM boats orders, which the LRM guys actually followed but the rest of us some common ground to work with under a scheme. We've lost fights like that... but i remember the wins a lot more and the LRM rain of death that I've both NARC'd for and seen secondhand may not be the throwdown your looking for but it serves its point just the same.

Teamwork is the game, dead enemy is a dead enemy. Doesn't matter to me if they're finely cut from the cockpit by twin gauss with godlike accuracy or mauled down by 1000+ LRM's, Dead is dead.

[TKSax]

Bulletsponge0, on 08 June 2017 - 05:11 PM, said:

it is assisting the enemy when a teammate allows an enemy mech to walk up behind a friendly and backstab him... a simple press of the R button can alert the friendly and save his life

lol no its not, you may as well say bring a bad build is assisting the enemy... or being a crap player. Not Pressing R, not noticing a light sneak up behind you or a teammate are all not assisting the enemy.

[Brain Cancer]

If you're deliberately sabotaging your team's best efforts- yeah, you're helping the other side. Especially out of spite.

Incompetence is one thing. Malice is another.

[TKSax]

Brain Cancer, on 08 June 2017 - 08:04 PM, said:

If you're deliberately sabotaging your team's best efforts- yeah, you're helping the other side. Especially out of spite.

Incompetence is one thing. Malice is another.

But who is to decide what constitutes malice... I don't think not pressing the R key is one of them.

[Brain Cancer]

TKSax, on 08 June 2017 - 08:11 PM, said:

But who is to decide what constitutes malice... I don't think not pressing the R key is one of them.

The guy looking you in the mirror knows.

If you're doing it to spite your team-mates, you know. And it's malice. Just because you can smile and go "Yeah, screw that lurmtato" and nobody hears it doesn't mean you aren't a jerk.

You're just enjoying the fact that you can easily get away with it and nobody will know. After all, if he can't get help with locks, that missile boat will look even suckier compared to PPFLD master race, right?

[TKSax]

Brain Cancer, on 08 June 2017 - 08:23 PM, said:

The guy looking you in the mirror knows.

If you're doing it to spite your team-mates, you know. And it's malice. Just because you can smile and go "Yeah, screw that lurmtato" and nobody hears it doesn't mean you aren't a jerk.

You're just enjoying the fact that you can easily get away with it and nobody will know. After all, if he can't get help with locks, that missile boat will look even suckier compared to PPFLD master race, right?

I like all the assumptions there...


Regardless its not re-portable and its not anything PGI is going to do about people who do not press R.

[Brain Cancer]

TKSax, on 08 June 2017 - 08:28 PM, said:

I like all the assumptions there...

Regardless its not re-portable and its not anything PGI is going to do about people who do not press R.

I made no assumptions.

If you're doing it to make life for your team tougher on purpose, it's being a jerk. If you just don't hit the R key because reasons, learn to R key and you magically can make your team a little better just by pressing the button.

Either way, it's not reportable- but who cares if it's the "perfect crime". The R Police will not come and take you away for failing to do so, but you're still deliberately crimping your team in the process. And that's a sucky move.

[Krucilatoz]

I press R most of the time, its kind of habit.

But I do agree on certain circumstances, press R is counterproductive.

Do you know when enemy press R (has lock on you), you get blip light / warning sound?

I was on Mining Coll one day, playing on assault, and in the beginning of the game where the assault walk behind. Then i got a blip sound indicating someone lock me. Assuming my position, that must be enemy light mech trying to flank me. Then i turn around, walk backward and send my alphastrike to that enemy light to death, saving me and my lance from early lurm rain.
This is a lesson when you try to sneak behind enemy try for an alphastrike into their back, only press R when you engage them.

[Luminis]

Bulletsponge0, on 08 June 2017 - 04:48 PM, said:

Not pressing the R button could actually be considered "assisting the enemy" and be a reportable offense

Slippery slope, that one. You'll never be able to tell (in game) whether someone does stuff like that out of genuine incompetence (regardless of being an otherwise good player or not) or out of spite.

Same with someone parking their Assault in what they perceive as a safe distance from the actual fight, lobbing LRMs at maximum range and barely doing anything. Losing that much armour up front might very well lose you the match, but you'll never be able to tell whether the player in question actually thinks that this is a great way to help the team and win the match or if he just said "screw this" the match prior and is doing it for the lulz.

You can apply that to a lazorboat as well: Dude blew up due to excessive heat following his Override. Genuine mistake or maybe he was just sticking it to the players because the match is on Tourmaline instead of Frozen? You'll never know.

Edited by Luminis, 09 June 2017 - 01:27 AM.

[TKSax]

Brain Cancer, on 08 June 2017 - 08:42 PM, said:

I made no assumptions.

If you're doing it to make life for your team tougher on purpose, it's being a jerk. If you just don't hit the R key because reasons, learn to R key and you magically can make your team a little better just by pressing the button.

Either way, it's not reportable- but who cares if it's the "perfect crime". The R Police will not come and take you away for failing to do so, but you're still deliberately crimping your team in the process. And that's a sucky move.

Sure you did you assumed I was some pome who does not press the R key.

It's no crime not to press the r key maybesomeone want to just make the game harder on himself and everyone else, I mean we all should be able to play the game the way we want, that always the refrain I hear on the forums so, maybe someone does not want to press the r key, much not like some one not playing meta or role playing during the game or play lrms, bring bad builds because they want to and hey not press the r key, aren't they just playing the way they want to. Do they deserve to be harassed ad called out?

[Jep Jorgensson]

Luminis, on 09 June 2017 - 01:27 AM, said:

Slippery slope, that one. You'll never be able to tell (in game) whether someone does stuff like that out of genuine incompetence (regardless of being an otherwise good player or not) or out of spite.

Same with someone parking their Assault in what they perceive as a safe distance from the actual fight, lobbing LRMs at maximum range and barely doing anything. Losing that much armour up front might very well lose you the match, but you'll never be able to tell whether the player in question actually thinks that this is a great way to help the team and win the match or if he just said "screw this" the match prior and is doing it for the lulz.

You can apply that to a lazorboat as well: Dude blew up due to excessive heat following his Override. Genuine mistake or maybe he was just sticking it to the players because the match is on Tourmaline instead of Frozen? You'll never know.

Wrong. There have been times (after I told my team I was a lurm boat) when a team mate would start yelling at me and declare that he was going to intentionally not hot "R" just to spite me. That would be a very good indication that they are not pressing the "R" key and assisting the enemy by limiting how much damage we can do to them.

[Brain Cancer]

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maybesomeone want to just make the game harder on himself and everyone else

In that case, remove TK penalties so we can make the game harder by shooting up our team.

I mean, the fewer of you there are, the less I have to share kills every match. I'm just making the game harder for everyone!

If this sounds silly, anything that deliberately gimps your team's capacity to get the win is equally stupid on the gimper's part.

[Mystere]

Bulletsponge0, on 08 June 2017 - 04:48 PM, said:

Not pressing the R button could actually be considered "assisting the enemy" and be a reportable offense

[Mystere]

Krucilatoz, on 09 June 2017 - 01:11 AM, said:

Do you know when enemy press R (has lock on you), you get blip light / warning sound?

Show a video or it never happened.

There used to be a warning whenever someone got a lock on you. But, it was removed by PGI when the crybabies -- well -- cried after being massively trolled by said feature.

Edited by Mystere, 09 June 2017 - 12:32 PM.

[Clownwarlord]

Wraith31, on 31 May 2017 - 06:47 PM, said:

Some people deliberately avoid pressing R because it means that LRM boats are deprived of targets. With damage glow, you can see where you hit them...

If you starve the buzzards long enough, they move on to scavenge somewhere else.

WHy the F()*&(&%(&^K would you want to not press "R" are you that ignorant? Pressing "R" helps you the player and here is WHY!!!

- first - it gives you information about your enemy as in potential weak points, their weapon load out, and in the case of an Inner Sphere mech the possibility of an XL engine based on their load out.

- second - if you have team mates it helps them in the way of speeding up their info gathering or depending on mechs sharing the info gathered.

- thrid- now in the case of lrm mechs you can get cbills for having people that do use them by having a lock when you naturally get a lock and the lrm boats hit it. WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU NOT WANT MORE CBILLS!!!!????

Its moronic not to press "R" when you have an opportunity.