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[The6thMessenger]

A 95 tonner is more agile than a 75 tonner. Oh yeah, Exe also has masc.

[Redacted]

Edited by Belegor, 27 June 2017 - 02:09 AM.
Low-quality/meme post

[Mechwarrior4670152]

Given how little tonnage it has for weapons (especially compared to the 75 ton mechs such as Timberwolf and Night Gyr) and how large a sillouette it has (which is different than it's physical size...)

I fail to see how this is a bad thing.

Edited by Wence the Wanderer, 05 June 2017 - 02:28 PM.

[G4LV4TR0N]

Executioner was designed to be like that.

[The6thMessenger]

Wence the Wanderer, on 05 June 2017 - 02:27 PM, said:

Given how little tonnage it has for weapons (especially compared to the 75 ton mechs such as Timberwolf and Night Gyr) and how large a sillouette it has (which is different than it's physical size...)

I fail to see how this is a bad thing.

I didn't say that it's a bad thing. I just said, lol.

G4LV4TR0N, on 05 June 2017 - 02:28 PM, said:

Executioner was designed to be like that.

So was Tibbers.

[Mister Blastman]

The Executioner needs to be.

[Mechwarrior4670152]

The6thMessenger, on 05 June 2017 - 02:31 PM, said:

I didn't say that it's a bad thing. I just said, lol.

To be precise, you declared it trolling

There is a difference between a simple lol and that meme after all

The6thMessenger, on 05 June 2017 - 02:31 PM, said:

So was Tibbers.

To a point

The TBR was designed to be mobile while carrying (relatively) large amounts of firepower
EXE was designed to be mobile. Period

[The6thMessenger]

Wence the Wanderer, on 05 June 2017 - 02:37 PM, said:

To be precise, you declared it trolling

There is a difference between a simple lol and that meme after all

Please stop twisting what I mean.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/lol-guy

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LOL Guy is a rage comic character that is often used to indicate laughter and general amusement.

Know your memes, *******.

Wence the Wanderer, on 05 June 2017 - 02:37 PM, said:

To a point

The TBR was designed to be mobile while carrying (relatively) large amounts of firepower
EXE was designed to be mobile. Period

Yes, and? So what?

[Mechwarrior4670152]

The6thMessenger, on 05 June 2017 - 02:52 PM, said:

Know your memes, *******.

I have been wrong before, but the fact that you cannot be polite about it makes you not worth listening to on the matter.
Know your courtesy, kind sir

The6thMessenger, on 05 June 2017 - 02:52 PM, said:

Yes, and? So what?

So the mech that has more firepower has less agility.
But then, since you have already established a lack of courtesy (and blatantly enough to establish a lack of wits to go with it)....


Troll topic.

[Wintersdark]

Let's put it differently.

If the Timby was as agile as the Executioner, why would you ever use an Executioner? The armor difference is trivial, and the Timbie carries much more firepower with way better hitboxes. A bit more armor is just not enough.

Given that, I don't see how this even deserves a regular "lol" let alone a thread.

[Mechwarrior4670152]

Wintersdark, on 05 June 2017 - 03:09 PM, said:

Let's put it differently.

He doesn't care - as noted when I mentioned that possibility (albeit less directly)

The6thMessenger, on 05 June 2017 - 02:52 PM, said:

Yes, and? So what?

Troll topic folks

Wintersdark, on 05 June 2017 - 03:09 PM, said:

Given that, I don't see how this even deserves a regular "lol" let alone a thread.

Troll topic

Edit:
EVERYTHING is LoL with those

Edited by Wence the Wanderer, 05 June 2017 - 03:11 PM.

[The6thMessenger]

Wence the Wanderer, on 05 June 2017 - 03:01 PM, said:

I have been wrong before, but the fact that you cannot be polite about it makes you not worth listening to on the matter.
Know your courtesy, kind sir

The6thMessenger, on 05 June 2017 - 02:31 PM, said:

I didn't say that it's a bad thing. I just said, lol.

Why don't you read my first response? There was no animosity, but you know what your response was? The high-and-mighty:

Wence the Wanderer, on 05 June 2017 - 02:37 PM, said:

To be precise, you declared it trolling

There is a difference between a simple lol and that meme after all


To a point

The TBR was designed to be mobile while carrying (relatively) large amounts of firepower
EXE was designed to be mobile. Period

Me not polite? Not to ***-holes.

Wence the Wanderer, on 05 June 2017 - 03:01 PM, said:

So the mech that has more firepower has less agility.
But then, since you have already established a lack of courtesy (and blatantly enough to establish a lack of wits to go with it)....

Troll topic.

Rhetorical question. It's not to be answered, it's meant to elaborate a point.

Wintersdark, on 05 June 2017 - 03:09 PM, said:

Let's put it differently.

If the Timby was as agile as the Executioner, why would you ever use an Executioner? The armor difference is trivial, and the Timbie carries much more firepower with way better hitboxes. A bit more armor is just not enough.

Probably the same reason why there's some people running Gauss Rifle or AC20 in an Urbanmech, runnng the Mist Lynx despite Arctic Cheetah, or people bothering with the Direwolf despite being horridly disadvantaged in the meta when a Kodiak -- they like it.

Also, with the humanoid shape of the Exe, i did find it easy to shield my torso by the arms i don't use.

Wintersdark, on 05 June 2017 - 03:09 PM, said:

Given that, I don't see how this even deserves a regular "lol" let alone a thread.

Amusement. Given that Assaults are supposed to be the slower and less agile of the class, Executioner agile for it's class. It's like a Monty-Python sketch -- nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition, sort of thing.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 05 June 2017 - 03:20 PM.

[Mystere]

I don't see this thread going anywhere nice. But, I'm holding off reporting this thread ... for now.

[Mechwarrior4670152]

The6thMessenger, on 05 June 2017 - 03:17 PM, said:

Given that Assaults are supposed to be the slower and less agile of the class....

Generalizations are a bad way to make your point

Compare if you will, the Charger/Gargoyle/Executioner to the Urbanmech, or the Cougar

Let's face it, by your logic the TBR/DRG/Grand Dragon/Linebacker and many others should be less agile than the Centurion/Hunchback/Enforcer....despite having greater agility in the 'lore'

IE what 'should' be

There are exceptions to every rule

Mystere, on 05 June 2017 - 03:31 PM, said:

I don't see this thread going anywhere nice.

Find me one where the big point was 'lol' that does

[Snazzy Dragon]

The6thMessenger, on 05 June 2017 - 02:21 PM, said:

[Redacted]

fixed

Edited by Belegor, 27 June 2017 - 02:16 AM.
Quote Clean-up

[G4LV4TR0N]

In Battletech and some other Mechwarrior games there is a specific attack called DEATH FROM ABOVE. It's when one mech jumps on top of another mechs and stomps cockpit. Do you know the reason Executioner has all those Jump Jets, big engine and MASC? Yes, to perform such attack. And guess what? While I can't find source, I'm almost sure that Executioner name is directly related to this attack because it's so lethal. So you got another mech designed for something that is not present in MWO.

Edited by G4LV4TR0N, 05 June 2017 - 03:44 PM.

[Mechwarrior4670152]

G4LV4TR0N, on 05 June 2017 - 03:39 PM, said:

While I can't find source, I'm almost sure that Executioner name is directly related to this attack because it's so lethal.

I believe that is accurate. Though I don't have the source either.

Sure isn't called that because of it's weaponry.

Edit:
EXE pod space?
26.5 tons stock

TBR?
27.5 stock

Not much difference, until you factor in the extra 20 tons the EXE is costing your drop deck...
/End Edit

DFA IS in the game though (if only technically)
Just deals normal bumping damage.

Edited by Wence the Wanderer, 05 June 2017 - 03:47 PM.

[The6thMessenger]

Wence the Wanderer, on 05 June 2017 - 03:29 PM, said:

No animosity?
Says the guy who's term for someone posting (according to you) basically the same thing had to be censored?

The more you post, the less wit you show, dear sir

I did specify my first response which was not having any animosity. But hey you know, whatever lets you sleep at night.

Wence the Wanderer, on 05 June 2017 - 03:33 PM, said:

Generalizations are a bad way to make your point

Compare if you will, the Charger/Gargoyle/Executioner to the Urbanmech, or the Cougar

Let's face it, by your logic the TBR/DRG/Grand Dragon/Linebacker and many others should be less agile than the Centurion/Hunchback/Enforcer....despite having greater agility in the 'lore'

IE what 'should' be

There are exceptions to every rule.

http://www.sarna.net...tleMech#Assault

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Assault 'Mechs are the heaviest regular class of BattleMechs, weighing in between 80 and 100 tons. Some of these huge 'Mechs can mount up to 50 tons of weapons as well as very thick armor protection. They can project tremendous firepower, and perform best as the spearhead of frontal assaults or in defending entrenched positions. The trade-off is in speed and maneuverability, as assault 'Mechs are generally very slow. As such, they often require friendly units to protect them from being outmaneuvered. Assault 'Mechs are typically used as command units, heavy assault platforms, and in fire-support roles, but due to their prohibitive costs and limited production, they actually make up only a small fraction of all BattleMechs.

To be fair, i meant to use "generally", but i didn't but that's on me. However, i did not say that there cannot be an exception to the rule, I simply said what was *usually expected when an "assault" comes to mind. After all, lore. Seeing how surprisingly agile Executioner was, I am simply amused. I never said that it shouldn't be.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 05 June 2017 - 03:43 PM.

[G4LV4TR0N]

And how are you going to explain Viper that is more agile than Kit Fox?

[Mechwarrior4670152]

The6thMessenger, on 05 June 2017 - 03:43 PM, said:

I did specify my first response which was not having any animosity. But hey you know, whatever lets you sleep at night.

And threw ALL of that out the window on the first response you got.

A fair, if valiantly failed, attempt, dear sir

G4LV4TR0N, on 05 June 2017 - 03:47 PM, said:

And how are you going to explain Viper that is more agile than Kit Fox?

Similar way to the way we do with the EXE vs TBR
Looked at the sheer engine sizes in those?

Why wouldn't a mech carrying that much bigger of an engine be more agile?

The6thMessenger, on 05 June 2017 - 03:43 PM, said:

http://www.sarna.net...tleMech#Assault

And now you quote MECHASSAULT?
The LEAST logical game in the series? (Barring MWLL?)

Almost a bad a source as quoting Wikipedia!

Edit:
Despite that..
While YES... GENERALLY Assaults will be less agile...
You are still talking about a mech built to be as agile as possible... versus one that is not

Edit:
This should have been a different post...
Viper pod space?
8.5 tons out of 40

Kit fox?
16 out of 30


Yep.
Kit fox should DEFINITELY be more agile

Edited by Wence the Wanderer, 05 June 2017 - 03:53 PM.

[The6thMessenger]

G4LV4TR0N, on 05 June 2017 - 03:47 PM, said:

And how are you going to explain Viper that is more agile than Kit Fox?

http://www.sarna.net...ttleMech#Medium

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Medium 'Mechs are the workhorse 'Mechs of most armies. Weighing between 40 and 55 tons they naturally fall somewhere in between the agile light 'Mechs and the powerfully armed heavy 'Mechs. While matching neither in their respective niche, medium 'Mechs tend to have the best combination between speed, armor, and payload which gives them unmatched versatility. The fastest medium 'Mechs often serve as command units among light 'Mechs with similar speed. Better armed than light 'Mechs, medium 'Mechs can often outmaneuver heavier opponents in combat and bring their weapons to bear with better effect to the point of being superior combatants in single combat, given time and suitable terrain.

The statement isn't that clear for me. But it does seem that it's not as specified like that of Assaults.

Wence the Wanderer, on 05 June 2017 - 03:51 PM, said:

And threw ALL of that out the window on the first response you got.

A fair, if valiantly failed, attempt, dear sir

Lol.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 05 June 2017 - 03:56 PM.