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[G4LV4TR0N]

By design yes, it was Ghost Bear manufacture. Not entirely sure but from what I remember Ghost Bear Executioner pilots almost always carried some Elementals with them. But by same lore it was Clan Jade Falcon that during initial invasion used Executioner as their primary assault mech, and from clan to clan, pilot customs varied.

Edited by G4LV4TR0N, 26 June 2017 - 11:13 AM.

[Requiemking]

G4LV4TR0N, on 26 June 2017 - 11:10 AM, said:

By design yes, it was Ghost Bear manufacture. Not entirely sure but from what I remember Ghost Bear Executioner pilots almost always carried some Elementals with them. But by same lore it was Clan Jade Falcon that during initial invasion used Executioner as their primary assault mech, and from clan to clan, pilot customs varied.

Well, according to Sarna, the Clans that made the most use of the EXE were Clan Ghost Bear, Clan Smoke Jaguar, and Clan Burrock.

[G4LV4TR0N]

Right. And now check Clan Jade Falcon most used mechs.

[Requiemking]

G4LV4TR0N, on 26 June 2017 - 11:50 AM, said:

Right. And now check Clan Jade Falcon most used mechs.

Fair enough. To be honest, though, it seems a little weird that they would use it. I get that they like mobile units, but the EXE has one of the lowest firepower ratings in game.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Requiemking, on 26 June 2017 - 11:56 AM, said:

I get that they like mobile units, but the EXE has one of the lowest firepower ratings in game.

Since when did they care about firepower? I meant they used the Summoner which is not really that well armed compared to all the other original heavy Omnis. There are 2 requirements for the "typical" CJF mech: JJs and speed.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 26 June 2017 - 11:59 AM.

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Quicksilver Kalasa, on 26 June 2017 - 11:58 AM, said:

Since when did they care about firepower? I meant they used the Summoner which is not really that well armed compared to all the other original heavy Omnis. There are 2 requirements for the "typical" CJF mech: JJs and speed.

Both of them are also heavily specialised for dueling. Big guns, low ammo, fast. Perfect for a fight that is, in all likeliness, over within a few moments, but terrible in grand scale battles.

[G4LV4TR0N]

As I said, each Clan had some sort of specialization, at least during initial invasion. It was seen in their mech designs for that era.

So as with Jade Falcon, they really liked faster mechs with Jump Jets because mobility was their quirk. Summoner is prime example of this design. To compare, Clan Wolf liked firepower so they (developed)made Dire Wolf, by then only mech that had 50% of total tonnage devoted to weaponry(Kit Fox was also close but it's poor example).

But when game timeline changed, clan needs and mech designs also changed. So then Jade Falcon wanted to get more firepower while retaining their jump capabilities and they developed Night Gyr, first Jade Falcon mech that could devote 50% of tonnage to weapons. And then Clan Wolf wanted to get more speed at cost of firepower so they developed Linebacker that has just bit over 25% pod space for equipment.

Edited by G4LV4TR0N, 26 June 2017 - 01:02 PM.

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Ultimax, on 26 June 2017 - 09:56 AM, said:

The issue with the EXE is that it takes up an assault slot or 95 tons vs. other Assaults, not that it lacks firepower vs. a TBR.

And right there was part of the point I was making.

However - even as you noted:
It DOES lack firepower compared to the TBR...
Considering it's greater size.

The fact that it has far more tonnage dedicated to making it mobile...
The fact that it gets the same weapon loadout (at BEST) as a mech 20 tons lighter...
...is why it gets higher in game agility.

And I have yet to see anyone give a reason why that is "LoL" worthy

[G4LV4TR0N]

Due to size, it also has one of worse hitboxes in game making it very easy to kill.

Edited by G4LV4TR0N, 26 June 2017 - 06:00 PM.

[The Mysterious Fox]

a rotating gamut of cmpl is still viable i guess but the days of 1.8k damage is over.

[PhoenixFire55]

Wence the Wanderer, on 26 June 2017 - 05:28 PM, said:

It DOES lack firepower compared to the TBR...

Not true. If you go for zero JJs on the TBR the difference is 3 tons (while both being fully armored) in favor of TBR. If you go for full five JJs on the TBR the difference is 2 tons in favor of EXE. They are nearly exactly same in terms of firepower.

One of the general ideas of clan warfare is to have a pool of mechs of each class that is able to move with the same speed of ~90kph either consistently or for an extended (TT-wise) period of time using MASC. Stock IS couldn't even come near to that, hence given the advantage in both weapon ranges and speeds clanners had total superiority on the field.

KitFox, Adder, SCR, EBJ, TBR, GAR, EXE are all capable of that. Needless to say it leads to less relative firepower (aka avaliable free tonnage) on heavier mechs and more firepower on lighter mechs. Then there are dedicated "role" mechs like ACH or DireWolf that are used for specific tasks instead.

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PhoenixFire55, on 27 June 2017 - 01:04 AM, said:

Not true. If you go for zero JJs on the TBR the difference is 3 tons (while both being fully armored) in favor of TBR. If you go for full five JJs on the TBR the difference is 2 tons in favor of EXE. They are nearly exactly same in terms of firepower.

1: That is a lot of IFs

2. As noted earlier, most builds for the TBR ADD Heatsinks - bringing it's weight down compared to the EXE, while ignoring the fact that the exact same thing applies to the EXE

3: that is still ignoring the fact that the EXE is 20 tons heavier
That is like saying that the IFR and SHC should have similar firepower to the MLX.
That is like saying that the DWF should have similar firepower to the GAR

By which I mean that you would see nothing wrong with that situation - not that you are saying that it "should" be that way