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[Bjorn Coston]

Come on over to IS ya filthy mercs! We got free saltwater taffy and complimentary key chains. Oh and did I mention instant drops?

[Lovas]

Last week was our first week as clans post skill tree. Many of us wanted to stay clan another week to continue playing with them...but the wait times were terrible. Swapped to IS last night (40% to sign with Marik) and got a couple insta drops, and one wait. So we'll be at least 3 week IS vs 1 clan ratio. Why can't PGI show us how many people are in que like they did before this one bucket thing?!?!?!?

Part of the problem is clan mechs made out big time with the skill tree and engine desync compared to IS. Then PGI posts that they are thinking that balance is closer than it has ever been....I am not sure that they know how to interpret their own stats.

[Khalcruth]

Wait a second....you're telling me that if the top 4 or so powerful units go clan for a week (or longer in some cases), by the end of that week there will be a lot fewer IS pilots interested in dropping? Who knew? That's never happened before...

[Jaybles-The-PegLeg-PotatoCaptain]

Lovas, on 07 June 2017 - 09:48 AM, said:

Last week was our first week as clans post skill tree. Many of us wanted to stay clan another week to continue playing with them...but the wait times were terrible. Swapped to IS last night (40% to sign with Marik) and got a couple insta drops, and one wait. So we'll be at least 3 week IS vs 1 clan ratio. Why can't PGI show us how many people are in que like they did before this one bucket thing?!?!?!?

Part of the problem is clan mechs made out big time with the skill tree and engine desync compared to IS. Then PGI posts that they are thinking that balance is closer than it has ever been....I am not sure that they know how to interpret their own stats.

I'm not so sure that clans did make out big time, IS gets higher quirk levels on a few key ones, Laser duration for one, 2.5% clan to 3.75% IS, and cool down is another, .6% clan .75% IS. Also % being used for the armor/structure tree gives IS mechs with structure quirks a slight HP buff over what their clan counterparts can quirk. So with a full structure tree, A blackknight will gain slightly more structure than a Timber or Night Gyr with the same full structure quirks. You add in the baseline acceleration being generally higher for the IS than clan( https://mwomercs.com...eference-sheet/ ) And look for mechs like the Grasshopper 5H that kept a -10% heat gen quirk and you can build mechs that can compete with clams.

Sure The IS XL is still an issue and PPC/Gauss in capable hands will be better, But I Don't think PGI is all that wrong in saying it is closer than it has ever been. At least... I can see things like extra light engines and new weapons being able to close the gap now if implemented right.

Never thought I'd say it, but with the new skill tree and engine desync, I'd actually rather take a Hopper over a timber for laser vomit.

[Lovas]

Sure, IS gets a few %pts higher in the skill tree, but clans still came out on top IMO. Clan laser vomit is much cooler than it used to be. Great, the black knight can get pretty high structure now, but if I can alpha once or twice more in my clan laser vomit than I could before, the black knight is still dead. The engine desync helped the clans as mobility was the one thing the IS had domination over. Sure the Kodiak was hammered, but who brings that into FW?? Warhammers can't out poke an ebon (mobility wise) anymore.

The IS may have the onesies or twosies, but on the grand scale clan tech came out on top, IS higher % in the skill tree nodes not withstanding.

And Timber has been dead for awhile now

That is just my c-bill opinion.

p.s. I am a little salty about the reduction IS got on mobility, might be clouding my judgement.

[Jaybles-The-PegLeg-PotatoCaptain]

The Grasshopper's base acceleration is a 29.26. That is higher than every clan heavy except the Summoner and linebacker. It is more than twice the Night Gyr base of 13.11. The Dragon has a base acceleration of 47.71 and the 1C is a great mech now, you can full quirk laser duration 15% and it has 10% giving you -25% beam duration. That gives you a 3 LPL build with a .503 Second burn time and a mech that can poke amazingly quick without having to use points in mobility. I guess I'm just not seeing the mobility reduction for IS.

[Kmieciu]

Jaybles, on 07 June 2017 - 07:49 PM, said:

I'd actually rather take a Hopper over a timber for laser vomit.

2LPL 6ERML Ebon Jag is even better in FW.

Edited by Kmieciu, 08 June 2017 - 04:33 AM.

[TWIAFU]

mesmer, on 06 June 2017 - 06:13 PM, said:

3 nights in a row and clan wait times are >15 minutes.

It is what happens when lemmings gravitate to the slightest advantage.

Switch Factions for no wait or accept that you will wait.

They could put in a pop cap for Clans to help alleviate wait times too....

[Crockdaddy]

I wish I had known the Clan wait times were like this ahead of time. I'd have stayed in IS. I had no clue. I wonder if I can put in a ticket to allow us to break contract and shift back to IS as we had changed over yesterday to play with our clan toys for a week.

Edited by Crockdaddy, 08 June 2017 - 07:34 AM.

[Commander A9]

Seems alright. A bit longer than normal sometimes, but manageable.

[Jack Booted Thug]

Kmieciu, on 08 June 2017 - 04:31 AM, said:

2LPL 6ERML Ebon Jag is even better in FW.

Too hot, only good if the IS team let's you poke and hide without pushing you.

[Marquis De Lafayette]

Wait times were reasonable to insta-drops last night

[Marquis De Lafayette]

Jaybles, on 07 June 2017 - 07:49 PM, said:

I'm not so sure that clans did make out big time, IS gets higher quirk levels on a few key ones, Laser duration for one, 2.5% clan to 3.75% IS, and cool down is another, .6% clan .75% IS. Also % being used for the armor/structure tree gives IS mechs with structure quirks a slight HP buff over what their clan counterparts can quirk. So with a full structure tree, A blackknight will gain slightly more structure than a Timber or Night Gyr with the same full structure quirks. You add in the baseline acceleration being generally higher for the IS than clan( https://mwomercs.com...eference-sheet/ ) And look for mechs like the Grasshopper 5H that kept a -10% heat gen quirk and you can build mechs that can compete with clams.

Sure The IS XL is still an issue and PPC/Gauss in capable hands will be better, But I Don't think PGI is all that wrong in saying it is closer than it has ever been. At least... I can see things like extra light engines and new weapons being able to close the gap now if implemented right.

Never thought I'd say it, but with the new skill tree and engine desync, I'd actually rather take a Hopper over a timber for laser vomit.

Talk like this is way to reasonable to be on these forums. Please stop it.

In fact this seems the opposite of the flaming forum rant deal we made last night in-game. So, I expect at least one "hair-on-fire", unhinged rant on why last night's game was unfair to you... and what PGI needs to do to fix FW.

[Jaybles-The-PegLeg-PotatoCaptain]

Marquis De Lafayette, on 09 June 2017 - 06:54 AM, said:

Talk like this is way to reasonable to be on these forums. Please stop it.

In fact this seems the opposite of the flaming forum rant deal we made last night in-game. So, I expect at least one "hair-on-fire", unhinged rant on why last night's game was unfair to you... and what PGI needs to do to fix FW.

It wasn't fair! You and your team bringing meta builds and pugs scoring 2k damage!!! How were my team mates supposed to lurm you! Just not fair!!!! Clams OP! prease NERF! Also Groups OP! Your 5 man was way to powerful for my noob 5 man! We should have our own queue where we can practice and get better with our lurmsess!

Edited by Jaybles, 09 June 2017 - 07:17 AM.

[Marquis De Lafayette]

Jaybles, on 09 June 2017 - 07:16 AM, said:

It wasn't fair! You and your team bringing meta builds and pugs scoring 2k damage!!! How were my team mates supposed to lurm you! Just not fair!!!! Clams OP! prease NERF! Also Groups OP! Your 5 man was way to powerful for my noob 5 man! We should have our own queue where we can practice and get better with our lurmsess!

That's the spirit Jaybles! I think teams need to make more of these "deals"...so that we too don't have to take any personal responsibility for any game we don't end up winning...just like some solo's are doing on these forums....if we lose it's all somebody else's fault!!!

Btw: I thought it was totally unfair that you killed me with a PPC shot from the back (that I didn't even see coming). I think all enemies should only be able to shoot if the opponent sees you....like gunfights at high-noon in the old west. PGI please change the game so as to accommodate my whims!

I would fully support DERP having its own queue, just for you guys..,where you could face solo's....as long as you bring only your kit foxes and other derp mechs and builds

[Jaybles-The-PegLeg-PotatoCaptain]

Never underestimate the power of a 12 Kit Fox rush.... it is only rivaled, surpassed even, by a 12 urbie rush!

[Xannatharr]

Well, we had a great night of drops last night. Monday nights EST have been dead the last few weeks but in three hours last night we got six matches in, which was very nice.

The only negative was that other than a FRR/Kurita hub premade we bumped into twice (I am guessing they had 6-8 folks in their group?) we got mostly a mix of small groups and solo players. We had 10-12 in our drop most of the night and we didn't lose any matches, although the FRR premade group had a tie with us locked in until one of their solo players killed himself with heat in the last few seconds of the match. I bet they were pissed at that guy!

Would have been a better night if we ran into a couple other units dropping together; I would rather risk getting stomped every now and then and have closer matches.

Anyway, we will see what Tuesday night brings - we should be queued with 10-12 again starting around 8 EST.

If your unit or your friends are on an IS contract group up and come play against us tonight!

Xann

[Willard Phule]

Kmieciu, on 08 June 2017 - 04:31 AM, said:

2LPL 6ERML Ebon Jag is even better in FW.

3 CERLL, 5 CERSL skilled correctly with a TC outranges IS ERLLs. It's pretty brutal on long range maps and the 5 smalls rip legs off of lights if they get too close.

[Kmieciu]

Willard Phule, on 14 June 2017 - 06:07 AM, said:

3 CERLL

33 damage 37,2 heat 1.5s duration. Probably the worst long range weapon aside from LRMs... Too much face time to be able to compete against competent players.

[Willard Phule]

Kmieciu, on 15 June 2017 - 12:47 AM, said:

33 damage 37,2 heat 1.5s duration. Probably the worst long range weapon aside from LRMs... Too much face time to be able to compete against competent players.

If you say so. Setting the skill tree up right makes a difference. I personally haven't had a problem with it. 2 in the right arm, 1 in the right torso and the convergence is right where it needs to be. Never overheated with it once. As for face time, that's sort of the point behind outranging the other guy and being able to aim. Nothing funnier than just standing there, burning holes through the other guy while he's just scraping paint.