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[Ragnahawk]

I stumbled upon this book titled mindset in amazon and it got me thinking about the recent skill tree changes. The book separates people into two groups: the fixed mindset and the growth mindset. Essentially people with the growth mindset want new challenges while people with the fixed mindset want only to demonstrate their ability feeling that they've already learned everything they could have. It got me thinking that there are people who simply don't want any more challenges. That they are happy with something that is never changing. Anybody else read this?

Edited by Ragnahawk, 13 June 2017 - 10:08 AM.

[Hobbles v]

Im sure the book elaborates in further detail. But lumping everyone into two mind sets seems very limited.

[Bud Crue]

Ragnahawk, on 13 June 2017 - 10:07 AM, said:

I stumbled upon this book titled mindset in amazon and it got me thinking about the recent skill tree changes. The book separates people into two groups: the fixed mindset and the growth mindset. Essentially people with the growth mindset want new challenges while people with the fixed mindset want only to demonstrate their ability feeling that they've already learned everything they could have. It got me thinking that there are people who simply don't want any more challenges. That they are happy with something that is never changing. Anybody else read this?

There is a book that has the central premise that of the two types of people...just two types...one of those types is people who are "growth minded", and the other type "want only to demonstrate their ability that they've already learned everything they could have"?

One, that sounds like a real short book.
Two, before I demonstrate how stupid that thesis is, I would like a snack. Oh snap! Now I have done it. I want something other than to demonstrate that I have learned everything I could have; thus proving according to the book that I am growth minded. Whew. Now I feel better.

Edited by Bud Crue, 13 June 2017 - 10:22 AM.

[Karl Streiger]

You can put all people in two categories in every aspect of live.

Instead of those mindsets you can also say that some people want to preserve while others want more.
But every person wants more maybe very polite religious persons not. But that doesn't make them bad.

[Luminis]

Ragnahawk, on 13 June 2017 - 10:07 AM, said:

Anybody else read this?

No, but stuff like this sort of profiling is pretty ubiquitous. You'll stumble upon similar stuff wherever people are involved, be it customer relationship, sales, people management & leadership, whatever.

Problem with most of those - and I bet most anyone who's looked into psychology a little will agree with this - is that these models oversimplify something as complex as the human mind and behaviour to the point of falsehood. Simplifying something to that degree is very attractive, which, I suppose, is why I've seen so many people at work fall for it: You'll start lumping people together who've got wildly different ideas, motives, ideals and so on just because they exhibited a single, specific trait (in this case, liking / disliking the skill tree). Granted, such models need to simplify the very complex reality to be able to explain a certain concept, but in my experience, this just doesn't work if things get boiled down to some black & white categories - that's just taking the simplification too far.

Problem is, there's in all likelihood a considerable number of players who are in favour of change, potentially even asking for it, but disagree with the skill tree being a change for the better. There's also previous experience to consider: Assume that to some people, some / many of the changes PGI implemented over time were a change for the worse and whether they want to be challenged or not plays no part in whether they like new changes to MWO or not. Their previous experience is what makes them dislike potential changes, not the idea of facing new challenges.

Some might even be pretty much neutral to change in general, the skill tree in particular and either remain neutral or be swayed to either like or dislike the current iteration of MWO due to other factors, such as the current meta or in-game economy.

That said, without looking the book up, it sounds like those two mindsets are essentially the winner & loser groups, with the growth mindset being the winners, obviously. And the author will - of course - tell you in detail how to become part of the winners growth mindset group. For just $ 19.99!

[Michael Abt]

Karl Streiger, on 13 June 2017 - 10:33 AM, said:

You can put all people in two categories in every aspect of live.
(...)

[Gwei Loong]

It sounds like one of those Jim Cunningham philosophy's from "Donnie Darko."



Where would you place yourself on the life line? I really don't see the point of these kind of exercises.
Perhaps writing self help books for people is a good idea though.

Edited by Gwei Loong, 13 June 2017 - 11:07 AM.

[Ragnahawk]

I don't know man. Those all sound likes fixed mindsets. If you ever feel locked into a decision, feeling like you already have an answer, the book describes that as a fixed mindset. A person of the growth mindset sees another possibility. That maybe they haven't figured it all out. I can definitely look at certain aspects in my life where i have stayed the same because i was worried about maintaining an appearance instead of seeing it all as a new challenge. Something interesting.

We can go on an on all day. I'm​ just wondering if anybody wouls read it or have they read it. Their thoughts.

[KodiakGW]

Not all change is good. Many times change brings about more issues. Sometime people who want change for change sake are actually people that don't want any change to the change they want to see done. Woulld not that make them the group resistant to change?

There is a third group, one that looks at proposed change, sees the flaws, suggests a change to make it better. But, they are usually met with people calling them "toxic", told "everything will be fine", told "it will be fixed after we implement it", told "adapt or leave", or told that they are "resistant to change".

Then they get to sit back and laugh when:
- nothing really changes
- the ones calling them toxic actually act toxic
- see that fixes never come
- watch those telling them to adapt or leave actually are the ones that leave when another product comes along
- those people then see the flaws and then request a bigger change to compensate for that flaw instead of the change to their change that was suggested

[Exilyth]

As Douglas Adams put it in the hithchhiker through the galaxy triology: "Many were increasingly of the opinion that they'd all made a big mistake in coming down from the trees in the first place. And some said that even the trees had been a bad move, and that no one should ever have left the oceans."

MW:O on the other hand divides people into three categories: loyalists, mercs and freelancers.

Jumping along further, the https://en.wikipedia..._Type_Indicator lists 16 (sixteen) different personality types, which some consider to much and some consider not enough.

I once read a book about a gal named Alice and a guy named Bob who wanted to send each other private messages but this evil person tries to intercept the messages so Alice and Bob have to come up with methods to make their communication more secure. It got complicated really fast...

... which brings me to another complicated book, or rather triology of books: the "illuminatus!" triology by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson, wherein two crazy dudes who pose as the authors of something barely resembling a novel divide people into two categories: neophobes (who fear new ideas and try to uphold traditions) and neophiles (who like new ideas and constantly try to invent new stuff). Don't worry, just take a sip of the spiked tomato juice and we can commit further non sequitur. FNORD!

[Gwei Loong]

Exilyth, on 13 June 2017 - 11:23 AM, said:

I once read a book about a gal named Alice and a guy named Bob who wanted to send each other private messages but this evil person tries to intercept the messages so Alice and Bob have to come up with methods to make their communication more secure. It got complicated really fast...

Are you sure it wasn't an evil monkey?



DSniff is pretty useful for that sort of stuff.
In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.

You also know you can use VoIP networks to send secret messages right?

https://arxiv.org/ft...1/1111.1250.pdf

I think Alice and Bob should of just asked around for what they needed.
All joking aside this is what I usually read in my free time.
To each there own, I've been told I am somewhat boring.

Edited by Gwei Loong, 13 June 2017 - 11:56 AM.

[Wyald Katt]

And the third kind of Mechwarrior, those who live La Vida Laser Vomit!

[Nightmare1]

Amazon has headsets too! It's amazing how well Mindsets and headsets go together!

Sorry, that joke wasn't punny at all!

[Angel of Annihilation]

Sounds like the book, "Who moved my Cheese". Lovely story about two mice, one who dies of starvation because he can't give up his past routine of finding food and one who thrives because he embraces change and ventures out to find new food. It is often used as an example for employees whose company has just undergone a major management change to illustrate how they need to embrace the change or get fired.

The bad part is that change isn't always good. The same company I worked for that gave out that book went from a extremely profitable and thriving company with sales in the billions to having to close their entire retail operation within a year because of that change we were suppose to embrace.

[Pur]

You guys are looking at this all... a bit out of context.

https://en.wikipedia...of_player_types

Hope this helps.