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[MauttyKoray]

Overall, the idea behind the balance pass is at least there. Looking forward to try how it plays out in live fire though.

Meanwhile, things changed, so here comes the massive amount of forum QQ from people who "Know how to balance a game better." although they lack any experience in doing so.

Time to sit back and enjoy the comments.

Edited by MauttyKoray, 17 June 2017 - 09:43 AM.

[RestosIII]

[Angel of Annihilation]

What is sad is that in most other games, I am excited to see the patch notes to see what improvement I am going to see coming to the game.

Not here though, nope. I read the patch notes to see what PGI has done this time around to reduce my enjoyment of their game.

In fact, I can't remember the last time I read patch notes for this game that left me not feeling, disgusted, frustrate and/or angry. Hell I can't remember the last time I have even read the patch note and felt any of the changes they made were going to have a positive impact on the game. Generally all I read is we've nerfed this, nerfed that and are nerfing things yet again just to make sure your not enjoying the game......oh an do you want to buy a Mech Pack??

[Wintersdark]

MauttyKoray, on 17 June 2017 - 09:42 AM, said:

Overall, the idea behind the balance pass is at least there. Looking forward to try how it plays out in live fire though.

Meanwhile, things changed, so here comes the massive amount of forum QQ from people who "Know how to balance a game better." although they lack any experience in doing so.

Time to sit back and enjoy the comments.

The best part is, it'll be both IS and Clan players crying the saltiest of tears.

[MauttyKoray]

Viktor Drake, on 17 June 2017 - 10:04 AM, said:

What is sad is that in most other games, I am excited to see the patch notes to see what improvement I am going to see coming to the game.

Not here though, nope. I read the patch notes to see what PGI has done this time around to reduce my enjoyment of their game.

In fact, I can't remember the last time I read patch notes for this game that left me not feeling, disgusted, frustrate and/or angry. Hell I can't remember the last time I have even read the patch note and felt any of the changes they made were going to have a positive impact on the game. Generally all I read is we've nerfed this, nerfed that and are nerfing things yet again just to make sure your not enjoying the game......oh an do you want to buy a Mech Pack??

Well, that's what balance is 'nerfs and buffs' to things within a game not behaving the way the developer intended while in the hands of players that find every and any way possible to abuse and exploit a system to their advantage.

[MechaBattler]

Viktor Drake, on 17 June 2017 - 10:04 AM, said:

What is sad is that in most other games, I am excited to see the patch notes to see what improvement I am going to see coming to the game.

Not here though, nope. I read the patch notes to see what PGI has done this time around to reduce my enjoyment of their game.

In fact, I can't remember the last time I read patch notes for this game that left me not feeling, disgusted, frustrate and/or angry. Hell I can't remember the last time I have even read the patch note and felt any of the changes they made were going to have a positive impact on the game. Generally all I read is we've nerfed this, nerfed that and are nerfing things yet again just to make sure your not enjoying the game......oh an do you want to buy a Mech Pack??

Have you never played an online PvP game? This is par for the course. Every game I've played with PvP has always had it's share of nerfs and buffs. Even big bad studios like Blizzard buff and nerf things. Riot does it. They even did it in World of Tanks.

[MauttyKoray]

MechaBattler, on 17 June 2017 - 10:20 AM, said:

Have you never played an online PvP game? This is par for the course. Every game I've played with PvP has always had it's share of nerfs and buffs. Even big bad studios like Blizzard buff and nerf things. Riot does it. They even did it in World of Tanks.

Its funny because the size of the community allows the whiners about buffs/nerfs to be far more vocal than communities like LoL or Blizzard games.

[Bishop Steiner]

Wintersdark, on 17 June 2017 - 10:05 AM, said:

The best part is, it'll be both IS and Clan players crying the saltiest of tears.

Well I've already got the 3-4 most whiny IS players on my Ignore list, but I'll probably be avoiding my Clan Unit TS for a while. Too much ridiculous whining at the best of times..... Oh....we just won Tuk 1, 2, and 3.... IS OP, RUss Hates us!

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 17 June 2017 - 10:28 AM.

[MechaBattler]

MauttyKoray, on 17 June 2017 - 10:21 AM, said:

Its funny because the size of the community allows the whiners about buffs/nerfs to be far more vocal than communities like LoL or Blizzard games.

That's true. If this game were bigger the vocal minority wouldn't come off as loud.

Although even in WoW there were a few times where the outrage was loud enough the devs at least acknowledged it.

Edited by MechaBattler, 17 June 2017 - 10:31 AM.

[Monkey Lover]

MauttyKoray, on 17 June 2017 - 09:42 AM, said:

Meanwhile, things changed, so here comes the massive amount of forum QQ from people who "Know how to balance a game better." although they lack any experience in doing so.
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Edited by Monkey Lover, 17 June 2017 - 10:29 AM.

[Shifty McSwift]

Must teach me these ways of deadly internet pugilism.

[Davegt27]

I am just here to point out things

like be careful what you ask for you just might get it
balance = where everyone has 1 laser

OP= where every Mech that kills me has to much power

broken = code word for OP and balanced

[I_AM_ZUUL]

Wintersdark, on 17 June 2017 - 10:05 AM, said:

The best part is, it'll be both IS and Clan players crying the saltiest of tears.

As long as you have Gyrok as the Ilkhan of Clan Crocodile Tears... IS will always be underwhelming about QQing just like their mechs

[FupDup]

MechaBattler, on 17 June 2017 - 10:20 AM, said:

Have you never played an online PvP game? This is par for the course. Every game I've played with PvP has always had it's share of nerfs and buffs. Even big bad studios like Blizzard buff and nerf things. Riot does it. They even did it in World of Tanks.

The problem is that PGI frequently chooses the wrong things to nerf, and when they do nerf the right things they tend to do it either too hard and/or in the wrong area.

[MauttyKoray]

FupDup, on 17 June 2017 - 11:22 AM, said:

The problem is that PGI frequently chooses the wrong things to nerf, and when they do nerf the right things they tend to do it either too hard and/or in the wrong area.

They have also just recently seemed to affirm their intent to stray from hard tabletop translated number in order to balance the game in a way that reflects Battletech but concentrates on balance and making a fun video game.

All that can be done in that respect is to wait, watch, and try it.

[FupDup]

MauttyKoray, on 17 June 2017 - 12:54 PM, said:

They have also just recently seemed to affirm their intent to stray from hard tabletop translated number in order to balance the game in a way that reflects Battletech but concentrates on balance and making a fun video game.

All that can be done in that respect is to wait, watch, and try it.

How does that stance from PGI relate to my comment about them nerfing things that are already average or overnerfing things that might have only needed something more modest?

[Mechwarrior1441491]

So many years of wasted "balancing" that was just thrown out the window over and over.

[MechaBattler]

FupDup, on 17 June 2017 - 11:22 AM, said:

The problem is that PGI frequently chooses the wrong things to nerf, and when they do nerf the right things they tend to do it either too hard and/or in the wrong area.

That's not a problem that is exclusive to PGI to be honest. Paladins were severely broken in WoW during the first half of Wrath because they refused to nerf the base stats. Instead they nerfed Paladin's individual abilities, it didn't work and eventually they addressed the real problem.

[FupDup]

MechaBattler, on 17 June 2017 - 01:16 PM, said:

That's not a problem that is exclusive to PGI to be honest. Paladins were severely broken in WoW during the first half of Wrath because they refused to nerf the base stats. Instead they nerfed Paladin's individual abilities, it didn't work and eventually they addressed the real problem.

And the issue with PGI is that the part where "eventually they addressed the real problem" has yet to actually happen.

[Angel of Annihilation]

MauttyKoray, on 17 June 2017 - 10:13 AM, said:

Well, that's what balance is 'nerfs and buffs' to things within a game not behaving the way the developer intended while in the hands of players that find every and any way possible to abuse and exploit a system to their advantage.

Except in this game balance is "nerfs and nerfs" to things within a game.

I mean when is the last time we saw or hell, have we ever seen patch notes that had more buffs than nerfs? Usually are we get is token buff here or there, while seeing blanket nerfs nearly across the board. Hell these last patch notes were just a series of nerfs across the board for everyone, both Clan and IS players, though the Clans got the worst of it.

So yeah, patch note and patch day are never something to get excited about in this game, because you always asking yourself just how much your going to get shafted this time.

Edited by Viktor Drake, 17 June 2017 - 02:29 PM.