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[Mortalcoil]

Topic says it all. With the nerf to IS LPL, many of the most popular IS mechs were running 5 LPL for that amazing 55 point alpha, but now that the alpha is only 50, the 6 LL, 60 point alpha is looking very tempting. Of course the BLR 2C can't do that unless you put it in the crappy arm mount. Of course the other BLRs, Banshees, stalkers can.

[FupDup]

Did you forget that the IS LL also got nerfed?

10% longer beam duration. And no, PGI's cooldown "buff" of 0.15 seconds does not even remotely offset this.

PS: The 6 LL build would deal 54 damage, not 60.

Edited by FupDup, 18 June 2017 - 10:37 AM.

[Composite Armour]

Don't LLs do 9 damage?

Still, would be nice to see more 4Ns about.

[R Valentine]

Rather take ERLL, given that LLs got nerfed for no reason what-so-ever.

[Mortalcoil]

FupDup, on 18 June 2017 - 10:35 AM, said:

Did you forget that the IS LL also got nerfed?

10% longer beam duration. And no, PGI's cooldown "buff" of 0.15 seconds does not even remotely offset this.

PS: The 6 LL build would deal 54 damage, not 60.

While I did forget LL's deal 9 damage, they still have a DPS buff, even if I would rather have the duration.

[FupDup]

Mortalcoil, on 18 June 2017 - 10:43 AM, said:

While I did forget LL's deal 9 damage, they still have a DPS buff, even if I would rather have the duration.

The DPS of the LL increased by 0.02 in the new patch (current is 2.12, new is 2.14). That is absolutely, positively nothing.

[Wattila]

FupDup, on 18 June 2017 - 10:44 AM, said:

The DPS of the LL increased by 0.02 in the new patch (current is 2.12, new is 2.14). That is absolutely, positively nothing.

They didn't get any cooler, either. RIP ISLL

[FupDup]

Wattila, on 18 June 2017 - 10:56 AM, said:

They didn't get any cooler, either. RIP ISLL

The tiny reload time buff actually gives you 0.02 more heat per second, 1.67 instead of 1.65.

Just like the DPS "buff," this is basically nothing. What matters is the duration nerf from 1.0 to 1.1. That just poops all over the weapon.

[Elizander]

It's heat to damage.

You're paying 7 more heat for 4 more damage.

[ScrapIron Prime]

I'll be changing up my Centurion AL from 3 LPL and 255xl to 3 'LL, 2 RP15, and a 270 LFE. It shall be glorious.

[Wattila]

FupDup, on 18 June 2017 - 10:58 AM, said:

The tiny reload time buff actually gives you 0.02 more heat per second, 1.67 instead of 1.65.

Just like the DPS "buff," this is basically nothing. What matters is the duration nerf from 1.0 to 1.1. That just poops all over the weapon.

No, what I meant is that there's no point even talking about paper DPS when you're heat dissipation limited after the first two alphas, but I digress. And yeah, the duration got nerfed to 1.1, probably because that way all the large lasers have the same dmg/tick, and that sure looks better on the spreadsheet. I'm starting to think weapon range wasn't even a variable in this laser "rebalance".

[Wildstreak]

Mortalcoil, on 18 June 2017 - 10:34 AM, said:

Topic says it all. With the nerf to IS LPL, many of the most popular IS mechs were running 5 LPL for that amazing 55 point alpha, but now that the alpha is only 50, the 6 LL, 60 point alpha is looking very tempting. Of course the BLR 2C can't do that unless you put it in the crappy arm mount. Of course the other BLRs, Banshees, stalkers can.

And people who do not have it can win a Battlemaster-1G next week.

[AnTi90d]

Wildstreak, on 18 June 2017 - 12:06 PM, said:

And people who do not have it can win a Battlemaster-1G next week.

I predict that, in July's patch, PGI nerfs the 1G's energy range quirk.. because reasons.

[El Bandito]

AnTi90d, on 18 June 2017 - 12:24 PM, said:

I predict that, in July's patch, PGI nerfs the 1G's energy range quirk.. because reasons.

I'll be flipping tables like a pro, when that happens.

[The6thMessenger]

6x ERLL though.

Having the same duration with the LL just made the Large Laser a bit less useful than the ER one.

[Wildstreak]

El Bandito, on 18 June 2017 - 06:41 PM, said:

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I'll be flipping tables like a pro, when that happens.

On some maps, you can kick/flip vehicles/objects.

[R Valentine]

The6thMessenger, on 18 June 2017 - 06:56 PM, said:

6x ERLL though.

Having the same duration with the LL just made the Large Laser a bit less useful than the ER one.

A bit? It's completely useless now. Duration and heat were the only things the LL has on the ERLL. One is gone and the other I can make up for with ST heat gen nodes.

[Valhallan]

Outside of say a 3xLL furbie, cuz heat, and that one trebuchet, cuz quarks, were IsLL's even really used anywhere? most usually just go whole hog and pick either LPL or ERLL. now that ERLL's have the same burn time..... .

[Sjorpha]

LPL is still going to be strong I think, and it seems to me that the MPL buff makes a mix of 3LPL+3 or more MPLs the new best configuration instead of 5LPL.

ERLL won't be able to replace the wubvomit for short-mid range, so it will retain it's role but be a bit better. LL was already very rare so that's a strange nerf.

So the changes I see in the laser usage department on IS side is more MPLs to backup the LPLs and lights switching from SPLs to meds. Not a huge change.

Much bigger impact on the clan side with cSPLs boating and cLPL+cMlas combo not working well anymore. Possibly the big laser vomit configs will be cLPL + 2 or 3 cMPL now? Maybe cMlas + cLL will see some use even.

[Wildstreak]

Sjorpha, on 19 June 2017 - 06:55 AM, said:

LPL is still going to be strong I think, and it seems to me that the MPL buff makes a mix of 3LPL+3 or more MPLs the new best configuration instead of 5LPL.

ERLL won't be able to replace the wubvomit for short-mid range, so it will retain it's role but be a bit better. LL was already very rare so that's a strange nerf.

So the changes I see in the laser usage department on IS side is more MPLs to backup the LPLs and lights switching from SPLs to meds. Not a huge change.

Much bigger impact on the clan side with cSPLs boating and cLPL+cMlas combo not working well anymore. Possibly the big laser vomit configs will be cLPL + 2 or 3 cMPL now? Maybe cMlas + cLL will see some use even.

Not too sure about those changes.

cLPL + cERML still does more damage.
2 cLPL + 4 cERML = 52
2 cLPL + 2 cMPL = 39
If using cMPL, might as well boat a lot of them for less tonnage than cLPL + whatever.
7 cMPL = 52.5

Anyways, we seem to be going in the direction of more Mechs boating only 1 weapon anyhow except LRM boats, those darn OP LRMs all the skilled players used that caused AMS buffs.
Oops, sorry, SRM boats.
Cause boats, ya know.

Edited by Wildstreak, 20 June 2017 - 06:16 AM.