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[Banguskahn]

So here is my build, i use LRM boats and want an anti lrm boat. I have the pacifier with triple ams and 6k rounds. I do not mind the 4 small las that I have but the skill trees confuse me. what is a build that i may use? Thanks

[Ced Riggs]

1,) Wrong mech, try the Nova-S. Current trial Nova has the right build. Copy and tweak.
2,) If you have AMS, take the 2 AMS nodes in the Survival skill tree.
3,) If you have ECM (because you stay with the weaker Kitfox), take the two ECM nodes in Sensors.
4,) Stop having LRM boats. :^)

MechLab Build: Iron Dome Nova

Edited by Ced Riggs, 18 June 2017 - 11:24 PM.

[Banguskahn]

I have spent almost 6k rounds at times but the public lrm is insane. I want mobility. 2 ams is just a good as triple ams? how is that better?

[Shifty McSwift]

You want to really "ant LRM"? Either; grab a light/medium with ECM, buff it and get radar dep, make sure it can take a decent loadout, medium ranged ~50 damage alpha should be enough, and watch for LRM trails during battle. The LRM trails will tell you exactly where the boats are and from there it is just a process of sneaking up on them, and huzzah! No more LRMs from that guy.

Or

Get a fast moving heavy or assault (80-110kph thereabouts), with close to mid range weapons, push that alpha up to near 100, and move with your team through areas LRM users can't target you, and close that distance. If you get within medium to close range against an LRM user, with a good setup of medium/close range weapons and some twisting, they really don't stand a chance.

[Banguskahn]

Shifty McSwift, on 18 June 2017 - 11:29 PM, said:

You want to really "ant LRM"? Either; grab a light/medium with ECM, buff it and get radar dep, make sure it can take a decent loadout, medium ranged ~50 damage alpha should be enough, and watch for LRM trails during battle. The LRM trails will tell you exactly where the boats are and from there it is just a process of sneaking up on them, and huzzah! No more LRMs from that guy.

Or

Get a fast moving heavy or assault (80-110kph thereabouts), with close to mid range weapons, push that alpha up to near 100, and move with your team through areas LRM users can't target you, and close that distance. If you get within medium to close range against an LRM user, with a good setup of medium/close range weapons and some twisting, they really don't stand a chance.

so triple ams is mute if that waht you mean?

[Shifty McSwift]

Banguskahn, on 18 June 2017 - 11:33 PM, said:

so triple ams is mute if that waht you mean?

Nono, it will do the job of shooting down missiles, I am just trying to suggest that you might want to blow up the guy firing the missiles to be MORE effective

Everyone loves the triple ams kitfox on their team, the ways to further buff AMS are to increase range in the weapon tree (applies to all weapons including AMS) and AMS overload in the survival tree, not necessarily both though, depends how expensive it is vs how much you benefit from the rest of the survival nodes you have to take.

[Kubernetes]

Shifty McSwift, on 18 June 2017 - 11:29 PM, said:

Get a fast moving heavy or assault (80-110kph thereabouts), with close to mid range weapons, push that alpha up to near 100.

Dang, I want that 110kph assault mech with a 100pt alpha. That would be a freaking Death Star machine.

Edited by Kubernetes, 18 June 2017 - 11:41 PM.

[Banguskahn]

Shifty McSwift, on 18 June 2017 - 11:36 PM, said:

Nono, it will do the job of shooting down missiles, I am just trying to suggest that you might want to blow up the guy firing the missiles to be MORE effective

Everyone loves the triple ams kitfox on their team, the ways to further buff AMS are to increase range in the weapon tree (applies to all weapons including AMS) and AMS overload in the survival tree, not necessarily both though, depends how expensive it is vs how much you benefit from the rest of the survival nodes you have to take.

yea spent 5k rounds with ecm on my kit fox but being able to run around at 95+ . ... i do not know my roll yet but seeing triple lrm boats and shutting them down , spent almost 6k rounds

[Kangarad]

Nova S+ 2 a pods = 3 ams or Kitfox C pod.

Nova is more effective backupweapon and armour whise while teh kitfox generaly carries more ams ammo.


edit: ams firerate quirks currently do not add to ams effectiveness sicne theyr dps does not increase as the weapon does not actualy have a "firerate" stat that influences ams effectiveness. you can see that ingame too... just tested it.

kitfox has +5% firerate 3 AMS

nova-S with 2 a side pods has +30% firerate with 3 AMS.

so yes you want that Nova-S if you realy want to stop teh rain


AMS has a DPS of 105/s

adding 2,5 damage for 2 skillpoints not counting the nodes you need to get there...? utterly irrelevant.

smrs current health was 25 or 20 while lrms are 10 per missile.

with those 3 cams you have 419.25 DPS (with skills) 409.5 DPS without skills.
aka more than 40 missiles per second lrm whise and arround 20 per second srm whise

I think thats passable vs the Kitfox at 322.5/315 dps

Edited by Kangarad, 18 June 2017 - 11:55 PM.

[Shifty McSwift]

Kubernetes, on 18 June 2017 - 11:40 PM, said:

Dang, I want that 110kph assault mech with a 100pt alpha. That would be a freaking Death Star machine.

Lol I don't, linebacker is crazy enough as is

MadIIC will go 80kph with an alpha up that way, though when I consider alphas I am considering things like UAC too and its potential for double damage, so that adds a lot.

[Shifty McSwift]

Banguskahn, on 18 June 2017 - 11:47 PM, said:

yea spent 5k rounds with ecm on my kit fox but being able to run around at 95+ . ... i do not know my roll yet but seeing triple lrm boats and shutting them down , spent almost 6k rounds

Your role in a kitfox is mostly just to hang near the assaults and heavies, keeping an eye out for things that will affect your team. It is a vital kind of role for any team, but its not the kind of job that everyone will enjoy.

Basically you stick around the legs of your front line assaults, without getting underfoot, and push alongside them once they break for a brawl, any moments you are getting shot at, are spent tanking and fleeing back into teammates, and any opportunities (which will be many if you do this often) that open up for you to fire without receiving return fire, take them, in combat you are in no way matched with most damage focused mechs, your strengths lie in your teamwork for this kind of mech.

[Ced Riggs]

Banguskahn, on 18 June 2017 - 11:28 PM, said:

I have spent almost 6k rounds at times but the public lrm is insane. I want mobility. 2 ams is just a good as triple ams? how is that better?

Nova-S (build above) has 6 cERML, 3 cAMS, 2.5 tons (5000 shots) of +30% RoF AMS. It is only 18kph slower than the Kitfox, has JJs, and can actually push good damage. It is also tankier. The Kitfox isn't as good an AMS carrier as the Nova-S, and it's certainly not as powerful, nor resilient.

[Banguskahn]

Ced Riggs, on 18 June 2017 - 11:56 PM, said:

Nova-S (build above) has 6 cERML, 3 cAMS, 2.5 tons (5000 shots) of +30% RoF AMS. It is only 18kph slower than the Kitfox, has JJs, and can actually push good damage. It is also tankier. The Kitfox isn't as good an AMS carrier as the Nova-S, and it's certainly not as powerful, nor resilient.

well it comes down to how much money to make at this point... anti ams with money i guess. if not i will hop into my firebrand or stalker

[Shifty McSwift]

Plus nova's are also most definitely damage/dps focused mechs, the kinds of playstyles you can get away with in one in terms of combat open up substantially, and they can be played defensively like I suggested one should/can play with the kitfox.

I do love the kitfox though don't get me wrong, from memory I managed to get 3 ams with 4 ammo i think, with an lpl and 2erml somehow. I also put a TAG laser on it for extra teamness plus.

[Ced Riggs]

Banguskahn, on 19 June 2017 - 12:00 AM, said:

well it comes down to how much money to make at this point... anti ams with money i guess. if not i will hop into my firebrand or stalker

I'm not sure what you are talking about, but since CBills is affected by damage done, the Nova-S wins again. No idea how Firebrand or Stalker relate to this topic at all. If you want the best AMS carrier in the game, it's the Nova-S.

[ShoX]

Kit Fox is a light in a meta that wants to go heavy. So you get your support done in a light slot, which will overall improve your composition. Purifier has perfect hardpoints for 4 ERMLs and has ECM. It's the best AMS carrier in the game. Nova is a close second, but a lot of times it will be stuck on a flank because your mediums have to do some work to be effective and it might need to be somewhere where the LRMs are not. Both together probably are the best though, you're effectively shutting down an entire weapon class for the enemies.

If you want to go support Nova, go for the 3 ERM / 6ERS version. It's way better at bodyguarding your heavies against ambushes.

[Ced Riggs]

ShoX, on 19 June 2017 - 02:23 AM, said:

It's the best AMS carrier in the game.

... with 25% less AMS cover than the Nova-S, but, that aside, yes.

[Wintersdark]

Ced Riggs, on 18 June 2017 - 11:56 PM, said:

Nova-S (build above) has 6 cERML, 3 cAMS, 2.5 tons (5000 shots) of +30% RoF AMS. It is only 18kph slower than the Kitfox, has JJs, and can actually push good damage. It is also tankier. The Kitfox isn't as good an AMS carrier as the Nova-S, and it's certainly not as powerful, nor resilient.

This man has it. The Nova-S is the best overall anti-lrm mech, not [just] because of it's Anti-LRM AMS power (which is top tier) but because it remains highly dangerous. Speed, manueverability, AMS coverage, and combat ability.

You've got the speed and maneuverability to get your iron done where you want it and the firepower to contribute offensively as well, so should you drop in a battle without LRM's you don't feel like you're dead weight (Oh, hello there, Kitfox!)

[ShoX]

Ced Riggs, on 19 June 2017 - 02:26 AM, said:

... with 25% less AMS cover than the Nova-S, but, that aside, yes.

Sorry, my bad. What I meant is that it's the best defense against missle boating. After all, AMS is only part of the equation.

[Ced Riggs]

ShoX, on 19 June 2017 - 03:19 AM, said:

Sorry, my bad. What I meant is that it's the best defense against missle boating. After all, AMS is only part of the equation.

... but the Kitfox has 38% less armor (and structure), with 33% less damage output, for a meager 16kph top speed. And after all that, it has 25% less AMS coverage. You might see how people would call the Kitfox hopelessly outperformed. And for the points needed to get that ECM to 100%, a Nova can run 100% Radar Derp.