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[Gyrok]

So, interestingly...

The MAL, VND, WHK, DWF, EBJ, BNC, AS7, ENF, STK, DRG, WHM, TBT and MDD are all better than MAD-IIC and NTG.

Though, only 2 of those were recently nerfed.

The HGN, VTR, VND, BLR, TDR, BL-KNT, and GHR are all better than the TW (honestly, according to these stats, most mechs are better than the TW right now).

The BLR and KDK are an average of 5 points of damage apart.



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[r4plez]

...yea because drops of 1 ; 2 ; 3 are so accurate

[Deathlike]

Gyrok, on 19 June 2017 - 12:49 PM, said:

So, interestingly...

The MAL, VND, WHK, DWF, EBJ, BNC, AS7, ENF, STK, DRG, WHM, TBT and MDD are all better than MAD-IIC and NTG.

Though, only 2 of those were recently nerfed.

The HGN, VTR, VND, BLR, TDR, BL-KNT, and GHR are all better than the TW (honestly, according to these stats, most mechs are better than the TW right now).

The BLR and KDK are an average of 5 points of damage apart.



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Gyrok, why u do dis?

Despite seeing the damage values, I see 0% in the win column for Vindicators, Maddogs, Thunderbolts, Catapults, and Cataphracts... with 9% for IS Marauder.

Just saying. I'm pretty sure our MRBC team contributed to some of those (Vindis, Catapults, maybe a Cataphract?)

Edited by Deathlike, 19 June 2017 - 01:03 PM.

[HollowBassman]

You're comparing the average of a chassis with 83 drops to a bunch of chassis where all but 4 of them have drops in the single digits.

[Davegt27]

wow the NTG has way more drops then any other Mech

wow the NTG has way more deaths then any other Mech

[Deathlike]

Davegt27, on 19 June 2017 - 01:23 PM, said:

wow the NTG has way more drops then any other Mech

wow the NTG has way more deaths then any other Mech

"Conclusion: NTG is UP and needs to be buffed."

[Bulletsponge0]

SO the Mad IIC averages 360.5 damage per drop

the Kit Fox averages 351.8 damage per drop (and a 100% win rate)

Thus the kit fox is basically the equal of a Mad IIC and should be nerfed too right?

statistics are a wonderful thing aren't they

Edited by Bulletsponge0, 19 June 2017 - 01:33 PM.

[Deathlike]

Bulletsponge0, on 19 June 2017 - 01:32 PM, said:

SO the Mad IIC averages 360.5 damage per drop

the Kit Fox averages 351.8 damage per drop (and a 100% win rate)

Thus the kit fox is basically the equal of a Mad IIC and should be nerfed too right?

statistics are a wonderful thing aren't they

Yes.

Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

[Monkey Lover]

kind of hard to compare these stats.

For example the mad2c is a 85ton mech. This mech is focused already but its really focused because its the commander. Its all so told to stay back and not die.

Ngr are primary targets for heavy mechs. These are focused down first

Other assault for example the atlas/dwf/mal get higher scores because it fights in the drop5 where it fights other assaults. Its much easier to get high scores here.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 19 June 2017 - 01:48 PM.

[Deathlike]

Monkey Lover, on 19 June 2017 - 01:47 PM, said:

kind of hard to compare these stats.

For example the mad2c is a 85ton mech. This mech is focused already but its really focused because its the commander. Its all so told to stay back and not die.

Ngr are primary targets for heavy mechs. These are focused down first

Other assault for example the atlas/dwf/mal get higher scores because it fights in the drop5 where it fights other assaults. Its much easier to get high scores here.

It's true with regarding the highlighted text. Context is important.

[pyrocomp]

HollowBassman, on 19 June 2017 - 01:03 PM, said:

You're comparing the average of a chassis with 83 drops to a bunch of chassis where all but 4 of them have drops in the single digits.

Well. It's Gyrok.

[vandalhooch]

pyrocomp, on 19 June 2017 - 01:51 PM, said:

Well. It's Gyrok.

My favorite Gyrok post was during CW phase I.

He wrote this massive screed about IS being OP and PGI favoring IS over clans. The very first response post in the thread was just three words, "Shut up Gyrok." Made me laugh over and over again for days. I still smile now, thinking about it years later.

[Wattila]

Damn, and I just bought a VND-1R after the ST hit. Now it's going to get dumpstered so hard it'll make a grown man cry.

[I_AM_ZUUL]

Gyrok, on 19 June 2017 - 12:49 PM, said:

So, interestingly...

The MAL, VND, WHK, DWF, EBJ, BNC, AS7, ENF, STK, DRG, WHM, TBT and MDD are all better than MAD-IIC and NTG.

Though, only 2 of those were recently nerfed.

The HGN, VTR, VND, BLR, TDR, BL-KNT, and GHR are all better than the TW (honestly, according to these stats, most mechs are better than the TW right now).

The BLR and KDK are an average of 5 points of damage apart.



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Dude... I have to congratulate you on being such an amazing troll! there is no way that you can mean any of this because of what a giant piece of $hit that would make you just as human being, you are the best troll on the forum.

[Bud Crue]

HollowBassman, on 19 June 2017 - 01:03 PM, said:

You're comparing the average of a chassis with 83 drops to a bunch of chassis where all but 4 of them have drops in the single digits.

pyrocomp, on 19 June 2017 - 01:51 PM, said:

Well. It's Gyrok.

And yet, this is exactly how PGI balances as well. Think about it.
There are mechs that rarely get played, compared to others, yes?
Yet PGI must inevitably use the same sort of comparative...however skewed they may be...data sets when they make balance decisions.

[I_AM_ZUUL]

Bud Crue, on 19 June 2017 - 02:14 PM, said:

And yet, this is exactly how PGI balances as well. Think about it.
There are mechs that rarely get played, compared to others, yes?
Yet PGI must inevitably use the same sort of comparative...however skewed they may be...data sets when they make balance decisions.

Gyrok is the literal Dartboard of Balance that Russ uses... #confirmed

[Angel of Annihilation]

Those states are really bad too. I mean the IS Marauder is listing 3 kills, 11 deaths, ouch.

Hate to say it but those stats are a really, really bad example of what those mechs are capable of.

This is a better example if you want to compare stats:

Matches, Wins, Losses, W/L Ratio, Kills, Deaths, K/D ratio, Damage in that order.


BOUNTY HUNTER II 27 16 11 1.45 33 14 2.36 12,677

MARAUDER IIC MAD-IIC 33 19 14 1.36 37 23 1.61 16,877

Oh wait, did I just prove that the Bounty Hunter is actually capable of outperforming the god-like, OP, Marauder IIC that must by golly be "reigned in" according to our Balancing Overloard???

Edited by Viktor Drake, 19 June 2017 - 02:37 PM.

[Scyther]

Gyrok, there are places you can go to learn to math.

We call them 'schools'.

You should check one out.

(Edit: They might even help you with 'logic' issues such as: out of 1,020 drops, 799 were made with Clan mechs. Competitive league, 78.3% Clan. 21% of all drops were made by the Night Gyr. There's a reason for that.)

Edited by MadBadger, 19 June 2017 - 02:56 PM.

[Deathlike]

Viktor Drake, on 19 June 2017 - 02:35 PM, said:

Those states are really bad too. I mean the IS Marauder is listing 3 kills, 11 deaths, ouch.

Hate to say it but those stats are a really, really bad example of what those mechs are capable of.

This is a better example if you want to compare stats:

Matches, Wins, Losses, W/L Ratio, Kills, Deaths, K/D ratio, Damage in that order.


BOUNTY HUNTER II 27 16 11 1.45 33 14 2.36 12,677

MARAUDER IIC MAD-IIC 33 19 14 1.36 37 23 1.61 16,877

Oh wait, did I just prove that the Bounty Hunter is actually capable of outperforming the god-like, OP, Marauder IIC that must by golly be "reigned in" according to our Balancing Overloard???

Are you that daft?

The numbers show usage... so if you see that 1 Vindi, it's because someone decided to be special. It's a compiled stats of usage of said mechs in DivA, so if the Night Gyr comes up with big drop #s, because it's most used.

Learn to interpret stats.

[El Bandito]

Congrats Gyrok, you just played yourself.


Not that it is surprising.