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Wintersdark, on 23 June 2017 - 09:52 PM, said:
Ok
Let's be real here. I'm about as close as a veteran gets to being a white knight.
But fund Solaris?
F*** no.
For many reasons. All the reasons.
1) Nobody got screwed harder in this game than the founders. They paid for CW. It took years to arrive.
2) PGI's new features, while not always terrible, are rarely particularly great. CW took years to get where it is now, after all, with all that entails.
No; I'm not prepaying for features. Charge me to use a feature, sure, but pay for features that don't exist?
No.
Let's be real here. I'm about as close as a veteran gets to being a white knight.
But fund Solaris?
F*** no.
For many reasons. All the reasons.
1) Nobody got screwed harder in this game than the founders. They paid for CW. It took years to arrive.
2) PGI's new features, while not always terrible, are rarely particularly great. CW took years to get where it is now, after all, with all that entails.
No; I'm not prepaying for features. Charge me to use a feature, sure, but pay for features that don't exist?
No.
Wintersdark, on 23 June 2017 - 11:16 PM, said:
it doesn't even matter.
Do I need to post what PGI sold the Founders? Putting aside everything else, even if you really wanted Solaris, and PGI promised you exactly what you dreamt of...
No matter what they say they want Solaris to be, this is one area where PGI has never held up their end of the bargain. Look at the original CW design, then the launch party CW design (when they admit they never actually did any work on CW at all from the original design that they took money from people for, then the design that was actually released in CW phase one.
Seriously, there is zero - absolutely none - reason to assume that even if you prepaid for Solaris, that they'd deliver something even remotely like what you expected, even if they were REALLY explicit in laying out their plans
Now, I'll admit. I'm actually angry about this. I don't get angry here, either - I don't care if they implement features I don't care for, or make blindingly stupid balance changes that are entirely counterproductive. Hell, I even think the net quality of the game has consistently improved!
But saying they want people to preorder for an as of yet undesigned feature? No. That's not cool. PGI has never once shown they can design a feature that actually.meets expectations.
When you have no real investment in those features, that's ok: I'm fine saying "Well, we got what we got." U2.0? It was really rough, and is still buggy. It's improved over time, but still has so many serious and baffling flaws (like not scaling with resolution. Really? It's 2017 here!) But nobody paid for that. It may not be what I would have liked, but it's better than what we had and that's not bad.
But if we'd paid for it? Paid for minimap 2? Hell, if I'd paid for the skill tree, I'd be a lot more critical of it.
They need funding, fine. Find ways to monetze Solaris. But don't ask players to front development again. Not after how badly PGI ****** the first group of people who stepped up and funded development. PGI doesn't get to do that again.
Gah.
Do I need to post what PGI sold the Founders? Putting aside everything else, even if you really wanted Solaris, and PGI promised you exactly what you dreamt of...
No matter what they say they want Solaris to be, this is one area where PGI has never held up their end of the bargain. Look at the original CW design, then the launch party CW design (when they admit they never actually did any work on CW at all from the original design that they took money from people for, then the design that was actually released in CW phase one.
Seriously, there is zero - absolutely none - reason to assume that even if you prepaid for Solaris, that they'd deliver something even remotely like what you expected, even if they were REALLY explicit in laying out their plans
Now, I'll admit. I'm actually angry about this. I don't get angry here, either - I don't care if they implement features I don't care for, or make blindingly stupid balance changes that are entirely counterproductive. Hell, I even think the net quality of the game has consistently improved!
But saying they want people to preorder for an as of yet undesigned feature? No. That's not cool. PGI has never once shown they can design a feature that actually.meets expectations.
When you have no real investment in those features, that's ok: I'm fine saying "Well, we got what we got." U2.0? It was really rough, and is still buggy. It's improved over time, but still has so many serious and baffling flaws (like not scaling with resolution. Really? It's 2017 here!) But nobody paid for that. It may not be what I would have liked, but it's better than what we had and that's not bad.
But if we'd paid for it? Paid for minimap 2? Hell, if I'd paid for the skill tree, I'd be a lot more critical of it.
They need funding, fine. Find ways to monetze Solaris. But don't ask players to front development again. Not after how badly PGI ****** the first group of people who stepped up and funded development. PGI doesn't get to do that again.
Gah.
I 100% agree with these 2 posts.
PGI have been unable to deliver on any of their own design goals since this games inception. It's one thing not being able to meet other people's expectations, but when they can't even meet the expectations that they set for themselves it shows a real lack of honesty (in advertising) or a complete over estimation of their abilities to produce something they have designed.
I wouldn't spend any money on a preorder until I saw a fully functioning design in place, not an elaborate video of design concepts. Even then I would be reluctant to spend any money until it was actually playable.
As a Founder, like Wintersdark I feel I have been burned by PGI not delivering on their goal, burned twice actually as I was gullible enough to buy into the resistance packs after the now infamous CW video was shown at the relaunch.
If PGI want to charge me when it's a feature, fine, but I am not paying up front. Now way, No how.
