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[Medicine Man]

I can't help but notice that most of you braggers from seal clubbing units aren't in the competitive forum.

Instead you spend most of your time here in the FP section of the forums bragging about how skilled you are and yet... You have the perfect opportunity to prove it fighting other teams like yours and you don't. You only want to fight pugs.

When I asked why I was told it was just because FP has funner maps with more players on them. If that is true then why aren't you clubbers agitating to get better competitive maps?

I think the reason is that you are to busy here trying to defend your seal clubber turf. You flat out don't have the balls to take on teams like your own with your same playstyle.

That is why you need to shut up bragging about your "skill." If you want bragging rights take it to competitive. Your just a bunch of toadies standing on your buddies shoulders until you do.

[Hobbles v]

The is bait but I will bite.

I lead BCMC, we are often clubbing the hell out of seals. i will admit it can be fun, when we only have like 4-6 of us carrying a group. But we much prefer getting teams to fight when we are out in force.

We play FP instead of QP or Comp because we like the prolonged fights provided by multiple waves. Teams can get decimated in the first wave and still come back to win. Also knowing the maps in advance allows for more viable mech builds and team strategies.

In team QP you cant:
linebacker rush
full 12 man light rush
12 laser vomit heavies
full assault wave
LRM comp (because you'll end up on a bad map for it)
SRM comps can end up on alpine due to voting

We don't play comp because to us it is a waste of time. We are all adults with jobs, families and lives. We want to drop with however many we have whenever we want, be it 2 or 12 of us. We don't want to schedule matches and have specific numbers of people show up for specific times to play just a couple games.

This is why we play FP, matches between two solid teams that go back and forth.


more like that here:
https://www.youtube....eQWS1V6qTrYfuQQ

And before people bring up splitting the queue between groups and pugs, neither side will get good games. Note in almost all these team on team fights I've put up, pugs were required to make them happen. otherwise you just have a ton of 8-11 man teams sitting around not playing.

If you are a Pug, find some friends and play with them. You do not even need a full team, small groups of guys working as a team can carry matches, and trust me nothing feels more rewarding in this game.




Its not about bragging. It's about us playing the game mode we like, with people we like versus whoever will fight us. hopefully that's someone capable of putting up a decent entertaining fight and not a chore, like seal clubbing is.

[Medicine Man]

I don't think the answer is for me to change my playstyle or for you to change yours.

Flat out I don't give a damn about socializing and I have friends in real life. I don't need to make them here. I'm not opposed to it but I'm not gonna go to work on it either.

So how about instead of EITHER of us changing our playstyles, how about we both just play the games that suit us.

Why in the world are you opposed to that other than the joy of clubbing seals? Which frankly is a motive that I find worthless and almost beyond contempt.

The only answer I can come up with I already stated. You can't handle playing against real teams like yours. And that is why I suggest that you and your unit and all the other clubber units lack the skill you brag about so much.

If you did not then you would put it on the line where it counts. But instead you just seek opponents weaker than yourself and that's pathetic.

[Hobbles v]

You clearly didn't read anything or at the very least failed to comprehend.
I just gave you video evidence of us "playing against other teams like us"

Comp doesn't have fp style games.
Comp requires perfect attendance to have games even happen. I just want to play faction play games whether or not I have my full team or just 1 or 2 friends. I dont want to wait for 8 of my guys to be online together just to play.
Comp means spending an entire evening revolving around. Organising just a few games. I've played in the comp scene via the world championships , mrbc and nbt it's boring *** ****.

Tell me have you ever played in comp?

If you don't want units to change there ways why even create threads like this? Seems like you're just mad that people putting more effort into the game mode are doing better than you.

Edited by Hobbles v, 25 June 2017 - 09:22 PM.

[Medicine Man]

Hobbles v, on 25 June 2017 - 09:12 PM, said:

You clearly didn't read anything or at the very least failed to comprehend.
I just gave you video evidence of us "playing against other teams that play our style"

Comp doesn't have fp style games.
Comp requires perfect attendance to have games even happen. I just want to play faction play games whether or not I have my full team or just 1 or 2 friends. I dont want to wait for 8 of my guys to be online together just to play.
Comp means spending an entire evening revolving around. Organising just a few games. I've played in the comp scene via the world championships , mrbc and nbt it's boring *** ****.

Tell me have you ever played in comp?

If you don't want units to change there ways why even create threads like this? Seems like you're just mad that people putting more effort into the game mode are doing better than you.

Yes I've read that comp doesn't offer the same maps etc as FP. But you guys could ask for that and get it easily enough. But you don't. And the reason you don't is because you don't have the skills necessary to live up to comp play.

As for me no I haven't played comp. I'm a soloist. I don't belong in comp at all. Furthermore I don't lame around the forums bragging about how awesome I am or how other people's builds suck or people can't play them etc either. That is what you seal clubbers are up to though. Almost constantly on these forums the seal clubber teams are feeling themselves about how awesome they are.

See.. We can keep talking here. Where I repeat my points and you repeat yours and nothing is really solved.

But I've offered you a chance to PROVE something. To put aside and to put down all talk. Take your unit into comp play and prove that you have the skills you and yours brag of. Put up or shut up.

[Void Angel]

... You first.

I don't know either of you, but Hobbles just spent more of his time than you've really merited explaining why his group doesn't do comp. And now suddenly he has to disprove your unproven claim that the FP teams who murder you as a "soloist" are just "seal clubbers" who don't have the skills to play real games? You probably have no idea how deeply you've embarrassed yourself, and I'm really not interested in explaining it to you.

After all, you'll just repeat your opinion, skimming posts for talking points and ignoring any inconvenient context - you've already stated your intention to do just that. And all anyone has to do to "prove" you wrong is jump through hoops you specify.

I wonder what you'd do if one of the comp sub-teams of those (unspecified, so you can motte and bailey) "seal clubbers" responded?

2/10, would not respond to this troll again.

PS: It's "braggarts." Read a book, or at least consult spell check.

[Emeraudes]

Medicine Man, on 25 June 2017 - 09:24 PM, said:

But I've offered you a chance to PROVE something. To put aside and to put down all talk. Take your unit into comp play and prove that you have the skills you and yours brag of. Put up or shut up.

You aren't referring to comp queue specifically right? If so, my unit fields 2 teams for MRBC. In fact so does isengrim.

However, the rhetoric as I perceive it is: don't run poorly built mechs, ignore your team, fail to recognize that the enemy is communicating and focusing their fire, lose matches, and then come here to complain about being outclassed in equipment.

If the cause of you drawing up the argument against improving as an individual to play Fw is that a few outspoken people have mentioned a skill level required to be involved in success, you might be misled.

[LordNothing]

there is a problem and a divide and unlike most i think its solvable with out broad and frankly idiotic moves like a split queue or matchmaker (we all know how good pgi is at making those). pugs want more fair games and units want better matches. allowing seal clubbings to continue solves none of these issues. its not attractive to new players and the learning curve is high, so many wash out. this is not conductive to perpetuating the best mode in the game.

few town halls ago (or was it a round table) the teams that showed up had that idea about an opt in 12 man only switch. nothing ever came of it, pgi focused on much more lower hanging fruit and consolidated the buckets. and frankly the idea seems problematic as a hard toggle. a soft toggle might be better. drop with fewer than 8 players and you can fight the whole population, drop more than 8 and you are opting in to fight another team with at least 8 players. there are lots of teams out there that can still club seals with just 7. but at least they have a fighting chance of slapping their flippers about and getting some good rewards even on a loss. its not a split queue, if you are a pug you may still find yourself in a big boy game, someone has to fill the other 1-3 slots. its a good thing that it doesnt isolate player types from eachother. good habbits rub off and bad ones are discouraged.

pgi wants these different types of players to fight amongst themselves, it occupies them so they dont spend their time pointing a finger at who is really to blame.

also from the sound of it that competitive mode is an even bigger flop than fp ever was. nobody is playing it, nobody wants to play it. even fp has plenty of sweat rewards to draw in the pugs, but competitive cant even draw in the seal clubbers. but this isnt their fault, its pgi. i do not think the esport road is worth sinking any more resources into.

Edited by LordNothing, 25 June 2017 - 10:52 PM.

[Vanguard319]

LordNothing, on 25 June 2017 - 10:47 PM, said:

there is a problem and a divide and unlike most i think its solvable with out broad and frankly idiotic moves like a split queue or matchmaker (we all know how good pgi is at making those). pugs want more fair games and units want better matches. allowing seal clubbings to continue solves none of these issues. its not attractive to new players and the learning curve is high, so many wash out. this is not conductive to perpetuating the best mode in the game.

few town halls ago (or was it a round table) the teams that showed up had that idea about an opt in 12 man only switch. nothing ever came of it, pgi focused on much more lower hanging fruit and consolidated the buckets. and frankly the idea seems problematic as a hard toggle. a soft toggle might be better. drop with fewer than 8 players and you can fight the whole population, drop more than 8 and you are opting in to fight another team with at least 8 players. there are lots of teams out there that can still club seals with just 7. but at least they have a fighting chance of slapping their flippers about and getting some good rewards even on a loss. its not a split queue, if you are a pug you may still find yourself in a big boy game, someone has to fill the other 1-3 slots. its a good thing that it doesnt isolate player types from eachother. good habbits rub off and bad ones are discouraged.

pgi wants these different types of players to fight amongst themselves, it occupies them so they dont spend their time pointing a finger at who is really to blame.

also from the sound of it that competitive mode is an even bigger flop than fp ever was. nobody is playing it, nobody wants to play it. even fp has plenty of sweat rewards to draw in the pugs, but competitive cant even draw in the seal clubbers. but this isnt their fault, its pgi. i do not think the esport road is worth sinking any more resources into.

I agree with this sentiment. The real problem is that PGI chose to pander to the esports scene over building a game that even a more casual player could pick up and win matches in. As the game is now, if you pug, you are going to more often than not lose, and lose badly. to win in FP nowadays, you either have to be lucky enough as a pug to be teamed up with comp players, or you have to join a competitive unit. Neither one is an acceptable option IMO.

[Codpond]

I am a god at this game and I love clubbing seals with lrm builds. I play fp because I have a tiny penis and it makes it look bigger when I do thousands of damage. Man it felt good to say that. Your post made me come out of my shell. I can now rest easy as I have admitted to absolutely every complaint and insinuation you had.

I hope reading that feels as good to you as it felt to me writing it.

I forgot, ahem; I don't play comp because I am scared of loosing to equally skilled players. I can not admit to myself or anyone else I am not the best pilot ever. It would crush my self-esteem to greatly because, as you can see, I pad my self esteem by clubbing seals.

Edited by Philocrates, 26 June 2017 - 12:03 AM.

[C H E E K I E Z]

We don't play comp play because I/we don't like having to conform to certian mechs/builds/variants. Also i like the endurance of 4 dropping mechs, vs 1 mech 1 match. There are games where i have the exact same mech, and first drop i do 1800 dmg, then i drop the exact same mech, and do 300 because i pushed up too far. I solo drop all the time, and most people around here can conrifm that, and even when its me vs 12 man kcom/mj12, or a big group of bmmu/bcmc/derp, i drop with those guys and know them all, so i make it a challange to kill as many as i can, i know im not gonna win, but im gonna make them work for it. This game is all about not baby raging.

[justcallme A S H]

Medicine Man, on 25 June 2017 - 06:12 PM, said:

I can't help but notice that most of you braggers from seal clubbing units aren't in the competitive forum.

What an Avg Match Score of 160 and KDR of 0.30

It's a good thing you're not in the comp forum. I couldn't think of one team that would want that dragging them down because you need to improve before walking into FP. Simple as that.

Medicine Man, on 25 June 2017 - 08:39 PM, said:

I don't think the answer is for me to change my playstyle or for you to change yours.

It is the only answer. FP obviously isn't for you and that is spelled clear as day out in the warning screen you chose to ignore.

1. Learn to play.
2. Bring proper mechs
3. Work in a team fashion.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 26 June 2017 - 06:12 AM.

[Appogee]

I for one enjoyed the lecture, thank you

Edited by Appogee, 26 June 2017 - 06:33 AM.

[Tarogato]

Void Angel, on 25 June 2017 - 10:02 PM, said:

PS: It's "braggarts." Read a book, or at least consult spell check.

Actually, "bragger" is correct.

Well, both are correct, both are real words, and both have been used for centuries. "Bragger" may even be the older form, dating back to middle english, perhaps 200 years before "braggart".

[Bud Crue]

Medicine Man, on 25 June 2017 - 06:12 PM, said:

I can't help but notice that most of you braggers from seal clubbing units aren't in the competitive forum.

Instead you spend most of your time here in the FP section of the forums bragging about how skilled you are and yet... You have the perfect opportunity to prove it fighting other teams like yours and you don't. You only want to fight pugs.

When I asked why I was told it was just because FP has funner maps with more players on them. If that is true then why aren't you clubbers agitating to get better competitive maps?

I think the reason is that you are to busy here trying to defend your seal clubber turf. You flat out don't have the balls to take on teams like your own with your same playstyle.

That is why you need to shut up bragging about your "skill." If you want bragging rights take it to competitive. Your just a bunch of toadies standing on your buddies shoulders until you do.

What even is this?

"Bragger from seal clubbing units"? Besides EVIL and the long lost folks of NKVA who occasionally "brag" about clubbing seals to make a clear point as to the failings of CW, who on earth are you talking about? I spend way too much time perusing these forums and I have never run across these braggers of whom you speak.

As to your larger point, the vast majority of players are casual. Many of us don't play unless we can get a team of a sufficient number of our unit members too make it worth our while. Thus we don't play CW much except on the occasional weekend. That leaves the groups of teams that are playing CW consistently. There are not many but enough to keep the mode populated to a sufficient degree. By the very nature of their consistent play they will get better than the rest of us casuals. Yet you want them to justify that? They need to explain themslves to you as to why they are not playing in MRBC, because they consistently play the CW mode?

How does that make any rational sense?

Seriously. Help me out here.

[Kin3ticX]

PGI isnt attracting anyone to the comp mode because it pays 0 cbills/XP in a game built around grinding and it has a pathetically low roster size of 12 which means most of your unit has to be online to play

[Kaoba]

The ButtHurt is real! Funny how all the argument comes down to "I am a potato, thus I should never fight any1 better than me"

[Vapor NINE]

[theUgly]

Medicine Man, on 25 June 2017 - 06:12 PM, said:

I can't help but notice that most of you braggers from seal clubbing units aren't in the competitive forum.

Instead you spend most of your time here in the FP section of the forums bragging about how skilled you are and yet... You have the perfect opportunity to prove it fighting other teams like yours and you don't. You only want to fight pugs.

When I asked why I was told it was just because FP has funner maps with more players on them. If that is true then why aren't you clubbers agitating to get better competitive maps?

I think the reason is that you are to busy here trying to defend your seal clubber turf. You flat out don't have the balls to take on teams like your own with your same playstyle.

That is why you need to shut up bragging about your "skill." If you want bragging rights take it to competitive. Your just a bunch of toadies standing on your buddies shoulders until you do.

CW should have been the competitive mode for this game.

Plus what you think ... that the top dogs in CW
will simply see a comp team, sh&t them self and disconnect?
I grantee you that there are plenty of units that will be
re qing again and again just to play those comp teams.

So what if you are soloist .. I love pugging myself .
You know how many times i get my sh$t pushed in because of that ?
9 out of 10 games!! The difference between us is that
i don't expect any better when I pug around.

You know, there are a lot of pugs ,, people that don't want
to get too deep in to the game ,, and will drop in faction
once in a while for fun, get stomped, log off and continue
with their day. What i don't understand is, how come
anybody gets on the forums, reads about what it takes
to start winning games ,, builds, TS & grouping, tactics etc..
and still remains with their head up their a$$e$..

You I mean.

You want to keep posting hateful sh$t .. that is fine..
Meantime people will still walk around with peaces
of your a$$ hanging from their feet ,, having fun doing it..
every time when you perform "soloist" maneuvers

[Kubernetes]

Medicine Man, on 25 June 2017 - 08:39 PM, said:

I don't think the answer is for me to change my playstyle or for you to change yours.

.

Good. Isn't that what we're all doing already? To put it more succinctly, wtf is the point of this thread?