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[YourSaviorLegion]

Personally I think RLs will be used as a troll weapon, the one and done aspect of the weapon is just going to be abused. Once a RL boat fires they'll be useless for the rest of the game and be negatively impacting their team.

Edited by YourSaviorLegion, 29 June 2017 - 09:47 AM.

[FupDup]

I tried to warn everyone that Rocket Launchers would be too hard to balance without making them useless or leading to toxic suicide-bomber gameplay. Not enough people listened.

[Dracking]

the thing about the rocket launchers is that I for example have a lot of mechs with open missile hardpoints because I have no space for a missile weapon and ammo, BUT with the rocket launchers I have a choice that makes that hardpoint useful, sure some stupid people will fill their mechs with it and be useless after the first shot, but the reasoning for it, at least I think makes it worthwhile in the game.

[AbradolfLincler]

Rocket launchers have their place. I think they offer the possibility of last ditch weapons on some mechs or as something to dissuade brawls with a sniper. I was thinking of a Shadowhawk 2k with ppcs and 3 RLs that would ward off under running them without adding much weight.

However, I do think that pure RL builds need to be marked invalid the mechlab and I also think that people who only do RL damage in a match, need to get a timeout and a cbill deduction much like a TK might.

[Dick Shipley]

I was just insta-gibbed in a loyalty blackjack by another loyalty blackjack. One shot to front armor with rocket launcher 20(s?). afterward while viewing i noticed on teammates paper doll info that all 4 rocket 20's were in white (operational). At very least, one or more of those rocket launchers should have been displayed in red (destroyed/spent). They do seem too powerful to me as well, but maybe they can be tweaked. Minimum range added and destroyed status on paper doll once spent would be a good start

FupDup, on 29 June 2017 - 09:48 AM, said:

I tried to warn everyone that Rocket Launchers would be too hard to balance without making them useless or leading to toxic suicide-bomber gameplay. Not enough people listened.

[Ced Riggs]

Tested 6 RL20 on a Bushwacker.
Centurion looked at me.

WOOSH.
KILLING BLOW.

What a hoot. I am sure the Centurion found it just as fun as I did.

[Haacknslay]

i see some use for the Rocket Launcher´s actually i tried it on my King Crab Build wich has 2xAC10 3xLL i putted in Light Engine and then added 3 RL 20´s as additional Burst. Sure it will be no fun on the receiving end when u suddenly die but on the other side they have much Spread so only if somebody is allrdy hugging your mech u will die. So when u paying Attention u should be able to spot whoever is crawling to your knee´s and kill it. It will make Seismic a lot more viable also i don´t know if someone could sneak in with stealth armor still need to test that out.

Edited by Haacknslay, 29 June 2017 - 11:03 AM.

[Nimnul]

I like any new weapons!

[LennStar]

Just try the 175rocket archer.

You can even walk away after firing them all at the same time.

[naterist]

ive used rocket launchers both as intended, and to alluhu ackbar some fools on hpg.ive considered it and came to the conclusion that a one time 90 point alpha is ok. i was useless after, and the spread helps it not be an garunteed instakill. honestly, laservomit alpha builds are more gamebreaking, since they can get almost as high of an alpha, but they can reshoot it indefinitely. 12 rocket boats v 12 rocket boats wont be fun, but i think they got the sweetspot between useful, and gamebreaking with these.

[corpse256]

LennStar, on 29 June 2017 - 11:36 AM, said:

Just try the 175rocket archer.

You can even walk away after firing them all at the same time.

ya tried it out 8 20s and 1 15. 300+ damage in one shot is hilarious but at least you got one kill. I'm sure The B33f would have fun with that one.

[Mycroft000]

**** Shipley, on 29 June 2017 - 09:58 AM, said:

I was just insta-gibbed in a loyalty blackjack by another loyalty blackjack. One shot to front armor with rocket launcher 20(s?). afterward while viewing i noticed on teammates paper doll info that all 4 rocket 20's were in white (operational). At very least, one or more of those rocket launchers should have been displayed in red (destroyed/spent). They do seem too powerful to me as well, but maybe they can be tweaked. Minimum range added and destroyed status on paper doll once spent would be a good start

I see this as displaying information as intended. You can't tell when someone has run out of any other kind of ammo except by observation. I don't see why rocket launchers that have been fired should be any different. Now I could see an argument for having a visual change to the mech that shows empty tubes after they've been fired.

[Kaptain]

I would like to see it changed so that when a rocket launchers has exhausted its ammo I would like the weapon to appear red in the enemy information. That way you know if its safe to approach or not. This would be a good balancing mechanic in my mind.

They may need additional adjustment.

Edited by Kaptain, 29 June 2017 - 02:52 PM.

[Lightfoot]

The new meta will be full load of Rocket launchers and back-up lasers. I had my mech's CT one-shotted by an alpha from an Archer, no different than the 6xPPC Stalker that gave us Ghost Heat.

[Cato Zilks]

Rockets are not OP, relax. See:
https://mwomercs.com...ost__p__5806321

[The6thMessenger]

Removed? NO.

Reworked? ******* Yes!

[Kaptain]

Cato Zilks, on 29 June 2017 - 02:22 PM, said:

Rockets are not OP, relax. See:
https://mwomercs.com...ost__p__5806321

Does the Griffin 2n have 4x20tube hardpoints? Because if it doesn't that completely invalidates that test...

[MischiefSC]

It can one-shot almost any heavy, but not an Atlas.

That doesn't invalidate it as a troll design.

A Javelin one-shotting most heavies, or a Bushie one-shotting two mediums and then running around with a LPL does. It also screws scouting.

It's not about it being OP, it's about the gameplay it creates. Suicide bomber gameplay is ****.

[LordNothing]

knew this was coming, suggested turning rls into missile machine guns with very limited ammo. insane dps for 2 seconds with insane ghost heat and a limit of 1. again, when trying to adhere to closely to the tt rules bites you in the buttocks.

low hanging fruit fix is to only allow 2 to fire at once, sort of like gauss rifles. but always with the low hanging fruit. why dont you ever want to do better?

Edited by LordNothing, 29 June 2017 - 03:24 PM.

[Dubinsky]

Archer 5w vaporizes Atlas like nothing. That means goodbye brawling, assaults etc. BUT. Most important thing - in faction warfare that means tryhards will gather full stack of archers and oneshot generators ignoring enemies. I've seen that done by srms,With RLs it would be 10x times easier. So, goodbye FW too.