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[Star Hustler]

Why would you nerf the only loadout that's good on it? Last time I checked the small pulse wasn't very meta due to the fact that it has 180m reach AFTER SKILL TREE! Like jeez PGI just why? It's also not very lore friendly that you would make a small pulse do less damage than a small laser. Like common man. Find other ways to nerf the weapon like changing the heat. Yea not to mention that problem. You nerf the damage and barely compensated for this drastic change too. The weapon still has the same heat problems but now with terrible damage. It's whatever I guess. Can't wait for that new turn-based Battletech game though. As I myself and everyone else on the forums know that you guys never listen to the players at all. I guess I'm just venting at this point

[panzer1b]

Honestly i agree with you, the cSPL nerf is so overkill that they are now worse in 90% of situations compared to ERSLs (heavier, LESS heat efficient, less range). I think it needs to at a bare minimum have its heat lowered to 2, then itll be a niche weapon that has very good heat efficiency, good fire rate, but low damage leading to alot less of those 2 shot backstabs (it was alot of fun to team up with another ACH over comms and 1 shot people in sync though with 72 dmg).

Anyways, the ACH isnt dead, but in my opinion the only loadout worth running on that now is 6 ERSLs and everything else into heatsinks (after the mandatory ECM ofc). Im pretty sure this was considered the 2nd best loadout anyways, so yeah, you loose DPS and heat efficiency, but its far from bad like you make it out to be, just dump the now worthless cSPLs and load up on ERSLs and play at slightly longer range while compensating for the slightly longer burn times...

[Falconer Cyrus]

I had a lot of fun playing 6xspl cheeta - all those backline raids, you know
It is sad that this tactics is no more possible.
I have replaced spl with med lasers (sls are worse for me) and it works, but it is completely other gamestyle.

[Therron Keen]

Yeah, I definitely felt the pain in my Arctic Cheetah - no more 2- or 3-shot kills on enemy assaults

I spend a lot of time in assault mechs, and I totally feel that if you're not watching your own back or have someone else watching it for you, you *deserve* to get backstabbed to death. It's part of the game - backstab assassinations, LRM death rain, AC40 facepunch murder...

but hey, let's see what we can do with those Cheetahs after the Civil War weapons are available.

[PJohann]

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THE ARCTIC CHEETAH SUCKS NOW

Good.

[DaManiac]

PJohann, on 04 July 2017 - 05:52 AM, said:

Good.

Thing is that's not good, it's never good that a mech sucks, it's about it all being equal, because at some point it was the phract, then it was the stormcrow, then it was something else, you will always have some more equal than others, but it's also down to play style and the lot.

This was the very reason I haven't logged in since skill tree came out. The cheetah was pure fun, now it's pure ****, nuff said.

[joker1974]

It sucks beyond repair. Decommissioned mine now. Waste of money on that camo. PGI, can I get my money back please?

[B0oN]

Try MPL´s ?

[Tarogato]

Star Hustler, on 01 July 2017 - 07:59 AM, said:

Why would you nerf the only loadout that's good on it? Last time I checked the small pulse wasn't very meta due to the fact that it has 180m reach AFTER SKILL TREE! Like jeez PGI just why?

Huh? You couldn't be more incorrect. cSPL was the definition of the meta for a very long time. Best option on the ACH, best option on the NVA, best option on the VPR, best option on the GAR, best secondary on the TBR, LBK, MDD, was also used on the EXE. If you weren't abusing how overpowered it was, then you missed out on an era.

That said, the nerf was too much. Needs to be 5 damage. Not 4. Not 6. But 5.

The Shortbus, on 04 July 2017 - 10:16 AM, said:

Try MPL´s ?

Too heavy. Can kinda work, but not enough alpha, not enough heatsinks.

[Tarl Cabot]

Oct 2014 thread - stats for laser weapons at that time.

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as it sits right now,........Damage,...Heat,...Burn,...recharge,...Range,...Max Range,...
(InterSphere)
Small Pulse Laser,...........3.4..........2.4.....0.50........2.25..........100............200..
Small Laser,......................3.............2.......0.75........2.25..........100............200...
Medium Pulse Laser,.........6...........4.6.......0.6..........3.............220............440...
Medium Laser,...................5............4..........1............3.............270............540...
Large Pulse Laser,.........10.6..........8.........0.6........3.25..........350............700..
Large Laser,......................9............7..........1..........3.25..........450............900..
ER Large Laser,................9.............8.......1.25.......3.25..........675............1350..
(Clan)
Small Pulse Laser,...........4.4..........3.4......0.75.......2.25..........150.............300..
ER Small Laser,................4.............3..........1..........2.25..........150.............300...
Medium Pulse Laser,.......7.4............6.......0.85..........3.............330............660...
ER Medium Laser,............7..............6.......1.25..........3.............400............800...
Large Pulse Laser,.........11.6...........9........1.2.........3.25..........525...........1050..
ER Large Laser,..............11............10.......1.6.........3.25..........740...........1480..

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cSPL dmg/heat

Battletech TT/Lore: 3 dmg / 2 heat

MWO June 2014: initially 3.4 dmg / 3.4 heat
MWO July 2014: increased to 4.4 dmg / 3.4 heat
MWO Nov 2014: Increased to 6.0 dmg / 3.0 heat
MWO June 2017: Decrease to 4.0 dmg / 2.7 heat

MWO Dec 2014: Release of Community Warfare aka Faction Play

Pulse Lasers had a -2 gunnery hit modifier. Heavy Lasers had a +1 gunnery hit modifier.

[MadRover]

or you know. buff cSPLs damage to 4.5 and call it a day.

[Cy Mitchell]

It does not suck. The SPL was OP on every Mech that boated it. Try 6-7erSL or a couple MPL combined with erSL or uerL. ACH is still a very good Mech and one of the best Lights.

[HammerMaster]

PJohann, on 04 July 2017 - 05:52 AM, said:

Good.

2nded.

[SPNKRGrenth]

Either buff cspls to 4.5 damage, OR, lower their heat gen to 2.5. That's all that's needed. And that's coming from someone who loves cspls to death and sticks them on everything. Just make the DPH better to be in line with everything else, with either a touch more damage, or a touch cooler running. They were OP before and needed a hit, now they're slightly UP and need a small, SMALL, tune up.

[Nightbird]

lore clan SPL 3 damage, lore clan ERSML 5 damage, just use the ERSL

[Thrudvangar]

Pulse lasers always had lower damage but als lesser burntime and lower cooldown...

Now that they aren't OP anymore, everybody starts to cry... good god...

Just change your loadouts or/and fix your skilltrees god damnit OR just get better or just quit.

[General Solo]

Could always put on an erppc and be an annoying pop tart

[Kaethir]

Honestly I ran 6spl ACH's... they were overpowered.

Now I'm running 6ersl ACH's... they are not terrible but also not great.

*shrug*

[Falconer Cyrus]

The problem is not that small lasers cheeta builds became useless, the problem is that now we have 1 less possible tactics.

[UnofficialOperator]

OZHomerOZ, on 05 July 2017 - 08:17 AM, said:

Could always put on an erppc and be an annoying pop tart

That's 1337...