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[Gwahlur]

I'm soooooooooooooo booooooooooooooooored of playing Grim Plexus. Something has to be done about the map rotation.

[r4plez]

if you are bored than take a break - there no need to play MWO if its make you feel bad.

Edited by r4plez, 08 July 2017 - 09:31 AM.

[Angel of Annihilation]

r4plez, on 08 July 2017 - 09:31 AM, said:

if you are bored than take a break - there no need to play MWO if its make you feel bad.

Taking a break isn't going to fix the problem because your coming back to the same maps.

What will fix the problem is first removing or heavily revising the map voting system. It really is ridiculous that maps like Terra Therma, Viridian and a few others hardly ever get played while maps like Grim Plexus and HPG get thrown at you 3 out of every 4 matches.

The second thing is getting us new maps already. Seriously we should be seeing a new map at least every 3 months if not every month. I mean there isn't a week gone by where there isn't at least one or two threads begging PGI for new maps. I should be OBVIOUS to PGI that more than anything else, that is what we need in this game.

So until those two things get fixed, we are stuck playing 2-3 maps 80% of the time.

[Jay Leon Hart]

The "easy" fix would be to weight how often maps (and game modes) show up in rotation, inversely proportionately to how often they end up being played.

So Polar and HPG show up less, because they get chosen more, whereas Terra and Viridian show up more, because they get chosen less.

Also, less Skirmish...

[Monkey Lover]

Time to go back to 100% random.

[vettie]

Or PGI could just go back to random map select. Mode too, for that matter.

seems over the past few weeks, map selection has not been varied by much, but even when it is, the voting takes you to a very overplayed map. but the mode, I seem to see Escort and Incursion combined together more than any combo. I have no stats to back it up, just what I seem to see

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was typing while Monkey made his post. but I agree

Edited by vettie, 08 July 2017 - 10:35 AM.

[Humpday]

I KNOW RIGHT!!!!
I've never ever ever seen grim picked so freaking much, and its the same exact fight every time.

[Escef]

I blame the community more than anything else. People WANT to play on these maps. Any map that is cold and plays into the preferred play style of hiding and poking at range gets highly voted. I've honestly heard people call Canyon Network a hot map... Canyon Network... a hot map... We are at the point where the userbase considers heat neutral to be "hot".

[MrMadguy]

I don't even know, what's the purpose of restricting map rotation to only 4-5 maps? May be PGI don't have enough server resources anymore, so they can run only specific maps? I mean, may be maps are like instance servers in MMOs, so if you don't have server for each map - you can only run specific maps. Why can't we just bring random maps for voting, as it was in the past?

I know, that this game is struggling with population, but such thing only drive even more players away from this game. As you may know, Firefall was closed just yesterday. It also was game, whose developers refused to listen to players' feedback and had some controversial and vague direction of development instead. May be MWO has already passed some critical point, so there is no way back, but it's obvious, that if PGI will continue towards this direction of development - their fate will be the same.

[Sadist Cain]

Like many others I'll deliberately game the voting system by picking the least voted for maps as much as possible.

I'll drag all you buggers down to terra therma with me eventually.

[HIGH LORD KIT FAWKS THE WATCHFUL]

At the next townhall, make it a primary discussion that random mode/map selection should be introduced back to QP.

Surprisingly enough this may also impact the meta of the QP environment as well, since the player base would no longer be able to game the selection to always prefer colder climates.

[J0anna]

Ah, NO. You can have random maps ONLY after we get exclusive game modes again.

[Davegt27]

yeah I complained when it was supposed to be random

and we got this voting crap so this time I am going to take my own advice (don't complain you will only make things worse) and not say anything

[DGTLDaemon]

THE GOD KING URBIE LORD OF MECHS, on 08 July 2017 - 11:22 AM, said:

Surprisingly enough this may also impact the meta of the QP environment as well, since the player base would no longer be able to game the selection to always prefer colder climates.

I doubt it. I see Tourmaline picked almost every time it comes up, and Caustic gets voted for on a regular basis, too. So there are already plenty of people voting for hot maps. And don't use Terra Therma as an example, people hate it not because it's hot, but because it's hot AND dark, and I doubt there's a single person in this game who likes using that goddamn night vision mode.

[MrMadguy]

Hot or cold? Dark or bright? No. Players vote for good maps and don't vote for bad. It's plain and simple. Look at this rating.

It's not based on subjective factors, like visibility. It's based on objective factors, like whether this map is Meta-biased and balanced or not.

So, when Polar, City, Forest and Plexus are offered for voting, what map is being voted for? It's obvious!

Edited by MrMadguy, 08 July 2017 - 12:28 PM.

[vandalhooch]

MrMadguy, on 08 July 2017 - 10:59 AM, said:

I don't even know, what's the purpose of restricting map rotation to only 4-5 maps? May be PGI don't have enough server resources anymore, so they can run only specific maps? I mean, may be maps are like instance servers in MMOs, so if you don't have server for each map - you can only run specific maps.

What in the blue blazes are you talking about? This is nonsense.

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Why can't we just bring random maps for voting, as it was in the past?

Are you failing to remember the massive salt dumps that happened on the forums when people got "bad" maps several games in a row?

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I know, that this game is struggling with population, but such thing only drive even more players away from this game. As you may know, Firefall was closed just yesterday. It also was game, whose developers refused to listen to players' feedback and had some controversial and vague direction of development instead. May be MWO has already passed some critical point, so there is no way back, but it's obvious, that if PGI will continue towards this direction of development - their fate will be the same.

J0anna, on 08 July 2017 - 11:30 AM, said:

Ah, NO. You can have random maps ONLY after we get exclusive game modes again.

That is very unlikely to happen as it lengthens the time it takes the matchmaker to fill a match.

[MadRover]

Escef, on 08 July 2017 - 10:46 AM, said:

I've honestly heard people call Canyon Network a hot map... Canyon Network... a hot map... We are at the point where the userbase considers heat neutral to be "hot".

how is that map hot? i think its more of a cold map in a desert setting but maybe its just me. what more irritating is where the fight almost always takes place at which is dead center. 700m snipe wars here we come

[vandalhooch]

MrMadguy, on 08 July 2017 - 12:14 PM, said:

Hot or cold? Dark or bright? No. Players vote for good maps and don't vote for bad. It's plain and simple. Look at this rating.

It's not based on subjective factors, like visibility. It's based on objective factors, like whether this map is Meta-biased and balance or not.

Stop using terms like subjective and objective when you obviously don't know what they mean.

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So, when Polar, City, Forest and Plexus are offered for voting, what map is being voted for? It's obvious!

[Thorqemada]

MrMadguy, on 08 July 2017 - 12:14 PM, said:

Hot or cold? Dark or bright? No. Players vote for good maps and don't vote for bad. It's plain and simple. Look at this rating.

It's not based on subjective factors, like visibility. It's based on objective factors, like whether this map is Meta-biased and balance or not.

So, when Polar, City, Forest and Plexus are offered for voting, what map is being voted for? It's obvious!

Well, i see only 1 good map in the green part of the list and that is Tourmaline Desert.
In the Yellow Part i like Caustic Valley.
Then in the orange part Crimson Strait is a nice map.

All other maps are avrage at best to outright bad like Grim Plexus!

So, now that i have a good Internet again and would come back Map Rotation would drive me away pretty soon.
I will give it a try when the new tech patch arrives but i expect a week or two of playing mwo at most atm.

PS: Every time when i did play MWO with map voting the Tormaline Desert Map was pretty much never voted so it is maybe a 3% chance for me to play at a map i like.
Without map voting it was about 5 times more that i coiuld play on maps i liked the most!

Edited by Thorqemada, 08 July 2017 - 12:36 PM.

[HIGH LORD KIT FAWKS THE WATCHFUL]

Perhaps it is simply the perception I carry, I rarely see people pick what would be considered hot maps unless the other choice is quite obviously a warmer map.

Caustic picked over polar? Highly unlikely.

Caustic picked over any city map? Possibly, by nature of the design of (EDIT, not "polar") caustic over the city maps.

I would gladly accept map mode selection with a random map selection (Sorry to say but everything becomes DM when objectives mean nothing in value.) So perhaps that is a viable middle ground?

Edited by THE GOD KING URBIE LORD OF MECHS, 08 July 2017 - 12:48 PM.