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[Connor Davion]

Hi Everyone,

I need some advice. I have 1759 MC saved up and I am wanting to buy a hero mech before the sale ends.

Right now I am looking at the St. Ive's Blues and Roc, but quite frankly they can build out almost identically. So any pros and cons for these mechs would be appreciated.

Also, although I was thinking about IS mechs to play more with the new tech, I am also up for suggestions for any other hero for 1759 MC or less that would be good mechs.

Thanks.

[MBT808]

buy a medium or heavy, or assault but don't invest in the lights except maybe pirates bane or huginn. And it never hurts to keep saving, you'll be able to get plenty more MC and there will be more sales to get a hero you want. I just bought a Reaver today myself.

ST. ives and Roc are solid avoid category.

Edited by MBT808, 23 July 2017 - 11:21 AM.

[Monkey Lover]

IVES has better quirks but the ROC is faster.

Most the time mediums live on speed. So depending on how you run your medium mechs would depend on what one i would buy.

If a 250 engine going 95ishkph is ok then i would buy this one. If not then get the ROC.

[Connor Davion]

MBT808, on 23 July 2017 - 11:19 AM, said:

ST. ives and Roc are solid avoid category.

I've seen quotes similar to this why are they in the solid avoid category?

[Connor Davion]

Monkey Lover, on 23 July 2017 - 11:35 AM, said:

IVES has better quirks but the ROC is faster.

Most the time mediums live on speed. So depending on how you run your medium mechs would depend on what one i would buy.

If a 250 engine going 95ishkph is ok then i would buy this one. If not then get the ROC.

I like mediums pretty well. My 1st mech was a Hunchie 4SP back in Beta enjoyed it a lot.

Honestly when a mech goes too fast I find my accuracy gets way worse (not great to begin with) and my eyes cross. So I usually keep it at or below 100kph. That might just be a function of my aging reflexes too.

Of course I know lights have to go fast or be melted.

[Monkey Lover]

Connor Davion, on 23 July 2017 - 11:48 AM, said:

I like mediums pretty well. My 1st mech was a Hunchie 4SP back in Beta enjoyed it a lot.

Honestly when a mech goes too fast I find my accuracy gets way worse (not great to begin with) and my eyes cross. So I usually keep it at or below 100kph. That might just be a function of my aging reflexes too.

Of course I know lights have to go fast or be melted.

Then sounds like the ives would be a good bet for you. Its no way a meta mech but due to the armor quirks if you max out your armor skill tree its really tanky.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 23 July 2017 - 11:56 AM.

[jss78]

I've got both of them, and I cannot really recommend them.

I like Phoenix Hawks a lot in general (after they buffed the arms), but the Roc is kind of hard to use. The issue is with the hard points -- it's just hard to use that mixture E/M/B hardpoints at 45 tons without sacrificing speed. I like it OK with XL270, LPL+2ML+2xSRM4, but a laser-boat PXH-2 with ECM is just so much easier to make work.

With the SIB, the issue is there are other 'mechs which do any imaginable build better. If you want an IS medium with torso missiles and arm lasers, get a Shadow Hawk or a Wolverine. Only buy it you must have a police 'mech that's not an Urbie.

[JC Daxion]

Sparky is a pretty nice 6 MPL mech.


Though i think i'd spend 7 bucks, and get a heavy. Jester is great, so is misery, especially with new tech.


I'm very tempted to grab a flame, or top dog myself.. (need to spend 7 bucks to do it )


But if you have to spend under that, Ember 4 ERML's + 4 LMG, with LFE Or Deaths Kneel w/4ERML's are both really nice.


If you wanna go clan, Kit fox is probably the way to go, unless you really love adders.

Edited by JC Daxion, 23 July 2017 - 12:23 PM.

[FupDup]

Connor Davion, on 23 July 2017 - 11:43 AM, said:

I've seen quotes similar to this why are they in the solid avoid category?

The Phoenix Hawk and Vindicator have very noticeable inherent design flaws, and hero mechs for those chassis usually inherit those flaws.

Edited by FupDup, 23 July 2017 - 12:10 PM.

[WrathOfDeadguy]

Between the two, I'd favor the St. Ives. The Roc is more mobile and has more loadout options, but the SIB has an advantage that simply can't be ignored with the new tech: torso mounts. You can run a SRM+Pulse brawler with max LFE, and while the Roc can technically do the same exact build item for item what it can't do is lose both arms and not be totally neutered. Not only does SIB have better quirks all around (both offensive and defensive), but it can shield with half the 'Mech and only lose a small percentage of its total weapon load.

The Roc can take a Ballistic, but frankly if you're going to run ballistics and lasers or ballistics and PPCs then the Blackjack with its high mounts is a far better option- likewise 3xLL, which the SIB can't do because one of its energy points is slot-restricted. The only reason to use the Roc vs. the SIB or Arrow, at present, is mobility- and since you said you'll likely keep your top speed under 100kph, that means you won't be needing the Roc's high engine cap.

In short, get the St. Ives' Blues. It will probably serve your needs better... unless you want to do ballistics or LL boating, in which case consider the Arrow as an alternative. I love my Roc to death, but it is not a good 'Mech. Now that there's LFE to compensate for terrible hitboxes, the SIB is actually pretty damned decent (despite still being way too tall).

Edited by WrathOfDeadguy, 23 July 2017 - 12:45 PM.

[MBT808]

Connor Davion, on 23 July 2017 - 11:43 AM, said:

I've seen quotes similar to this why are they in the solid avoid category?

Both have a low-average number of hardpoints(or a variety of hardpoints you can't utilize like Roc), so you can't boat anything. Its a bit different for either one, but if you don't want the indepth explanation simply put there are mechs in their category that simply do their job far better.

For example, you could do a SRM 6 build on ST ives, but a Griffin is as fast, has an additional missile hardpoint for SRM(or MRM's now), can shield better and more spare tonnage for ammunition/armor/engine. For Roc, and its fellow hero Kiri, its again that there are simply mechs that do what it does far better. the X-5 carries the same amount of missiles but has better quirks, speed, and hardpoint placement allows it to hill hump as well as being smaller/harder to hit.

The Vindicator's as a whole are poor mechs for their weight class because of their engine cap and poor hardpoints. The Pheonix hawks are very similar, they provide a similar role to the Cicada but the Cicada is simply better at it because of its hard points.

If you can wait, I would highly recommend getting the Bounty Hunter II. Its probably the Best IS hero available now(can't speak on the resistance Heroes).

Edited by MBT808, 23 July 2017 - 01:24 PM.

[kapusta11]

Get High Roller. It can carry UAC20 + 4 ML for brawling or Gauss and HPPC for long range trading. Bushwacker's hitboxes are pretty good too.

Sparky should be a good HPPC poptart with its 10% heat gen quirk, so you might want to take a look at that one too.

[Yosharian]

My advice is don't buy a hero mech.

Use mc to buy bays, one shot patterns, colours, etc. Mainly bays.

[AssaultPig]

the arrow can do some fun fits with LMGs and LFEs

death's knell and pirate's bane are pretty neat if you like lights

[Lux Monolithic]

Butterbee.

[MBT808]

Yosharian, on 23 July 2017 - 01:44 PM, said:

My advice is don't buy a hero mech.

Use mc to buy bays, one shot patterns, colours, etc. Mainly bays.

I wouldn't buy bays with MC. You end up with tons with the events.

Heroes are a better buy than Bays or Premium time, one time cost vs cost over time.

[GrimRiver]

Sparky(Griffin) is a good medium.

If you can save up a bit more I would suggest the Reaver(Roughneck), it's a good blend of everything.

I seen people rip things up with the Arrow(BlackJack) running LMG, HMG or just MG's.

I'd avoid vindicators as their price to performance isn't great, same with the Grid Iron(since it's quirk nerf).

Too bad the K-9 isn't for sale yet ingame.

Highroller(Bushwacker) maybe?

Grey Death(Shaod Hawk).

Clan omni hero's maybe, don't know cause don't own any.

[JC Daxion]

Yosharian, on 23 July 2017 - 01:44 PM, said:

My advice is don't buy a hero mech.

Use mc to buy bays, one shot patterns, colours, etc. Mainly bays.

Why not? many are unique.. and if you play a +30% c-bill earner often, they give a huge boost in money. I made a good 50+ mill off a couple of mine over the years. (that's like 10 Free LFE engines just for playing something i enjoy!)

GrimRiver, on 23 July 2017 - 02:14 PM, said:

Clan omni hero's maybe, don't know cause don't own any.

Clan's are all about if you like the chasis and want a +C-bill version, and Bonus if it has a Unique omni pod.

[Spheroid]

Half priced Pirate's Bane is always a good value. You get that pricey 190XL and you boost your CW income even if you don't shoot much.

[Cy Mitchell]

Maybe the Assassin DarkDeath. It fits your price range. It is fast but not dizzy fast. It has ECM. 1 ballistic, 2 energy, 2 missile so you can play around with some of the lighter weapons that are new. You got to be more sneaky because it is not tanky but it does have some nice armor quirks to build on if you want to add some Skill Tree Survival nodes.