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#1041 Dee Eight

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 07:50 AM

There's a new Macross series due later this year.

#1042 Nightbird

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 10:21 AM

View PostMetus regem, on 13 March 2018 - 07:16 PM, said:

Just so you know, I'll have to re qualify on AH-64's before hand, it's been a few (read close to 6 years) since I last flew one...



Sony did, but it's in development he'll right now.


Thanks for this, I googled it up and Sony hired a writer from Wonder Woman end of 2017 to work on Robotech. No roles yet but it's not impossible for 2019/20 if Sony is saying it's a 'priority project'

Edit Robotech not battletech, though I did enjoy the original macross.

Edited by Nightbird, 14 March 2018 - 10:23 AM.


#1043 Metus regem

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 10:50 AM

View PostNightbird, on 14 March 2018 - 10:21 AM, said:


Thanks for this, I googled it up and Sony hired a writer from Wonder Woman end of 2017 to work on Robotech. No roles yet but it's not impossible for 2019/20 if Sony is saying it's a 'priority project'

Edit Robotech not battletech, though I did enjoy the original macross.


It's actually surprising how different SDF Macross is from the Robotech version of it... I like the SDF Macross version more, with DYRL being my favorite telling.

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 10:54 AM

View PostAnjian, on 14 March 2018 - 02:27 AM, said:


Shinkanlion is already rated pretty low, another show intended to show toys.

Having a new Full Metal Panic is interesting as always, but like Code Geass, the mechs are more of a background than the center part of the story itself.

Gridman is a tokusatsu show, belongs to the same genre as Kamen Rider, Ultraman and all the Power Rangers stuff.

The mech show genre is facing another year where its just going to be crushed by new seasons of SAO, Attack on Titans, Shokugeki, Steins Gate, Made in the Abyss, Tokyo Ghoul, My Hero Academia, Date A Live, High School DxD, and Overlord.

And of course, there is One Punch Man.

And god damn i'm gonna watch half of thoses and have a blast, especially after Super is done and nee something to fill the void.

But yea Darling in the FranXX is only popular mecha anime I heard on the block, still love the designs and the story so far.

#1045 Dee Eight

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 11:02 AM

View PostNightbird, on 14 March 2018 - 10:21 AM, said:


Thanks for this, I googled it up and Sony hired a writer from Wonder Woman end of 2017 to work on Robotech. No roles yet but it's not impossible for 2019/20 if Sony is saying it's a 'priority project'

Edit Robotech not battletech, though I did enjoy the original macross.


The problem though is that since they (HG) don't own the copyright for the characters...that make up the essential elements of the story, especially the mecha and the ship... unless Sony is going to license them from Studio Nue, they're going to be left with creating something from scratch that won't have the fan base they were probably first expecting when they (Sony) acquired the film rights.

#1046 Brain Cancer

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 11:08 AM

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Apparently someone did license the rights to a movie adaptation of Battletech (well, Mechwarrior) some years back. Far as I know that went nowhere though.


This legal stuff pretty much hoses something like that as well, because who wants HG suing them mid production?

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 11:37 AM

View PostHorseman, on 13 March 2018 - 09:20 PM, said:

Apparently someone did license the rights to a movie adaptation of Battletech (well, Mechwarrior) some years back. Far as I know that went nowhere though.


The Battletech movie didn't go anywhere as they were writing a coming of age story which didn't go over well with the fans. Instead of just trying to just use one of the many different stories already written.

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Posted 23 March 2018 - 11:50 AM

New Updates:

Thursday, March 22, 2018
93   3 pgs motion Discovery Thu 2:55 PM
MOTION for Discovery for Issuance of a Letter of Request (Letter Rogatory) , filed by Plaintiff Harmony Gold U.S.A., Inc.. Noting Date 4/6/2018, (Elder, Damon)
  Att: 1 Proposed Order,
  Att: 2 Exhibit Letter Rogatory
 
Wednesday, March 14, 2018
92   notice Notice of Appearance Wed 11:25 AM
NOTICE of Appearance by attorney Todd S Fairchild on behalf of Defendant Piranha Games, Inc.. (Fairchild, Todd)
 
Tuesday, March 13, 2018
91   notice Notice of Joinder Tue 5:11 PM
NOTICE of Joinder JOINING87 Second MOTION for Summary Judgment as to Plaintiff's Lack of Standing to Assert Copyright Infringement Claim , by Defendants Harebrained Holdings, Inc., Harebrained Schemes LLC, Jordan Weisman. (Rheaume, Warren)
 
Friday, March 09, 2018
90   3 pgs notice Notice of Motion Re-Noted Fri 3:08 PM
NOTICE that the following is RE-NOTED:87 Second MOTION for Summary Judgment as to Plaintiff's Lack of Standing to Assert Copyright Infringement Claim . Filed by Defendant Piranha Games, Inc.. Noting Date 4/13/2018, (Meyer, Ryan)

Edited by Seraphic Law, 23 March 2018 - 11:51 AM.


#1049 Metus regem

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Posted 23 March 2018 - 11:55 AM

View PostSeraphic Law, on 23 March 2018 - 11:50 AM, said:

New Updates:

Thursday, March 22, 2018
93   3 pgs motion Discovery Thu 2:55 PM
MOTION for Discovery for Issuance of a Letter of Request (Letter Rogatory) , filed by Plaintiff Harmony Gold U.S.A., Inc.. Noting Date 4/6/2018, (Elder, Damon)
  Att: 1 Proposed Order,
  Att: 2 Exhibit Letter Rogatory
 
Wednesday, March 14, 2018
92   notice Notice of Appearance Wed 11:25 AM
NOTICE of Appearance by attorney Todd S Fairchild on behalf of Defendant Piranha Games, Inc.. (Fairchild, Todd)
 
Tuesday, March 13, 2018
91   notice Notice of Joinder Tue 5:11 PM
NOTICE of Joinder JOINING87 Second MOTION for Summary Judgment as to Plaintiff's Lack of Standing to Assert Copyright Infringement Claim , by Defendants Harebrained Holdings, Inc., Harebrained Schemes LLC, Jordan Weisman. (Rheaume, Warren)
 
Friday, March 09, 2018
90   3 pgs notice Notice of Motion Re-Noted Fri 3:08 PM
NOTICE that the following is RE-NOTED:87 Second MOTION for Summary Judgment as to Plaintiff's Lack of Standing to Assert Copyright Infringement Claim . Filed by Defendant Piranha Games, Inc.. Noting Date 4/13/2018, (Meyer, Ryan)




Translation form Leagalese to English please?

#1050 Zergling

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Posted 23 March 2018 - 11:57 AM

Google searching got me a Wikipedia article

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Letters rogatory or letters of request are a formal request from a court to a foreign court for some type of judicial assistance.


So I'm guessing it is related to the Japanese lawsuits over Macross.

Edited by Zergling, 23 March 2018 - 11:58 AM.


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Posted 23 March 2018 - 12:49 PM

View PostSeraphic Law, on 23 March 2018 - 11:50 AM, said:

Thursday, March 22, 2018
93   3 pgs motion Discovery Thu 2:55 PM
MOTION for Discovery for Issuance of a Letter of Request (Letter Rogatory) , filed by Plaintiff Harmony Gold U.S.A., Inc.. Noting Date 4/6/2018, (Elder, Damon)
  Att: 1 Proposed Order,
  Att: 2 Exhibit Letter Rogatory



Too bad the BT forum thread died. Do you think they made the attachments public or is HG going to keep them secret from PGI/HBR and thus... us?

#1052 Horseman

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Posted 23 March 2018 - 12:56 PM

View PostAdridos, on 23 March 2018 - 12:49 PM, said:

Too bad the BT forum thread died.
It didn't, just moved to a new thread.

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Do you think they made the attachments public or is HG going to keep them secret from PGI/HBR and thus... us?
Anyone with $5 to spare can get them from PacerMonitor and share them (if they want to).

Someone on BT forum did, seems Harmony Gold is trying to drag Big West into this: https://bg.battletec...5303#msg1395303

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Posted 23 March 2018 - 01:00 PM

The more litigants the longer and more convaluted this becomes.
HG should burn.

#1054 Brain Cancer

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Posted 23 March 2018 - 02:05 PM

The goal here seems to be attempting to exhaust the competition, rather than actually get a real decision in court by endlessly running things in ever longer loops- probably because HG knows they lose when it finally comes to a decision being made. Odds are they're trying to do something with what's left of their sham license- a movie, game, whatever- and then will finally abandon the fight once they've minimized any potential damages with a settlement of some kind.

Assuming they can get one.

#1055 PheonixStorm

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Posted 23 March 2018 - 07:17 PM

Unless someone has actually looked into that last docket we don't know if it is for BW or Tatsunoko. In either case it seems doubtful either party wants to get involved in any way considering the bad blood all around.

Also, HG has already been warned about rule 11 so if they are trying to do this to waste time and drag things out the judge (who is already annoyed with HG and/or their legal team) will likely sanction them.

Hopefully someone will post a copy of the dockets pdfs so we can make better sense of what HG is up to. Or better yet Leonard French will do a new video covering this considering everything that has happened since his last video and how much more interesting the case has become.

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Posted 23 March 2018 - 09:07 PM

View PostPheonixStorm, on 23 March 2018 - 07:17 PM, said:

Unless someone has actually looked into that last docket we don't know if it is for BW or Tatsunoko. In either case it seems doubtful either party wants to get involved in any way considering the bad blood all around.


In the BT thread (with link provided by Horseman above) someone looked at the docket and it is Big West being requested discovery on.

And Big West have absolutely have no reason to want to help out HG.



View PostPheonixStorm, on 23 March 2018 - 07:17 PM, said:

Also, HG has already been warned about rule 11 so if they are trying to do this to waste time and drag things out the judge (who is already annoyed with HG and/or their legal team) will likely sanction them.


It's definitely a delaying tactic, so hopefully the judge will slap HG hard.

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Posted 23 March 2018 - 11:37 PM

View PostHorseman, on 23 March 2018 - 12:56 PM, said:

Someone on BT forum did, seems Harmony Gold is trying to drag Big West into this: https://bg.battletec...5303#msg1395303


Well, it's nice to see they realise they're out of options.

This could be two things.
The first, more optimistic option is that it's merely a final flipped finger to PGI/HBS. They bring the case to the attention of Big West whom, they hope, will sue PGI/HBS over the designs themselves. Big West won't help HG's case, but there's a chance they would give hell to PGI and co.

The second, less optimistic option is they're gonna reach out to Big West. Keep in mind that Harmony Gold still holds something that Big West desperately wants. The right to publish Macross internationally. In a more villainous way, they could strike up a deal where they allow Big West to publish stuff without having to fight a legal battle with them, and in turn ask for a favor that would give them the real rights in this case.
I'm not a legal person but isn't it possible for Big West to "lend" the relevant international rights to the characters (BW currently holds but can't use) to HG, thus giving them this case on a silver platter while keeping them to themselves for when the case is over and HG has to fulfill their end of the bargain?

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Posted 24 March 2018 - 06:35 AM

View PostAdridos, on 23 March 2018 - 11:37 PM, said:


Well, it's nice to see they realise they're out of options.

This could be two things.
The first, more optimistic option is that it's merely a final flipped finger to PGI/HBS. They bring the case to the attention of Big West whom, they hope, will sue PGI/HBS over the designs themselves. Big West won't help HG's case, but there's a chance they would give hell to PGI and co.

The second, less optimistic option is they're gonna reach out to Big West. Keep in mind that Harmony Gold still holds something that Big West desperately wants. The right to publish Macross internationally. In a more villainous way, they could strike up a deal where they allow Big West to publish stuff without having to fight a legal battle with them, and in turn ask for a favor that would give them the real rights in this case.
I'm not a legal person but isn't it possible for Big West to "lend" the relevant international rights to the characters (BW currently holds but can't use) to HG, thus giving them this case on a silver platter while keeping them to themselves for when the case is over and HG has to fulfill their end of the bargain?


But... if HG loses this case, doesn't that mean Big West would be able to publish Macross in the West anyway?

After the bad history between the two, I'd expect Big West to show up in court, look at PGI's designs, and say something like, "Yeah, I can see the similarities, but they don't really look like OUR mecha."

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Posted 24 March 2018 - 07:42 AM

View Postevilauthor, on 24 March 2018 - 06:35 AM, said:

But... if HG loses this case, doesn't that mean Big West would be able to publish Macross in the West anyway?


No. The thing in question here is the rights to the copyrighted characters (that is characters and mechanical designs). HG still owns and will own the international distribution rights to SDF Macross, i.e. the original anime. That alone under no circumstance gives them power to block BW until the license expires years down the line. However, they have always used it as such and have no reason to change that.

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Posted 24 March 2018 - 07:45 AM

I saw something like this coming. I’m surprised that it took this long.

Harmony Gold is attempting to force Big West to disgorge documents and things that it thinks will support its claim to the overseas rights in the Unseen via a third-party discovery tool. This will end in one of three ways: (1) the judge denies the motion (least likely) ; (2) Big West simply coughs up the discovery on locally domesticated order from a Japanese court (most likely); (3) Big West takes a side in the lawsuit (possibility).

I’m really surprised that Big West hasn’t intervened yet. Which side would they take? No idea.

Edited by Chados, 24 March 2018 - 07:47 AM.






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