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[C4NC3R]

Khobai, on 25 July 2017 - 08:26 PM, said:

yep thats why heavies are better than most assaults

the value of the speed you lose isnt worth the pitiful extra armor and massive oversized hitboxes

Okay. Tomorrow I'll start-up an experement with Banshee 3E on load such as HGR+2HPPC. And believe me... you wih your salt awaken a beast you can't handle. 55PPFLD will show'ya who's the Boss of the Damage...and that ain't dual-RAC's carriers.

BNC-3E

Enjoy.

Spoiler

ANH-1X

Edited by C4NC3R, 26 July 2017 - 02:38 PM.

[The6thMessenger]

Fluffinator, on 26 July 2017 - 02:03 PM, said:

I think you meant Rotary needs a buff so there is any reason to use one out of Tier 5.
As soon as you are grouped with people who don't stand still 99% of the time you will find that Rotary is near useless.

I prefer rework, fundamental change of mechanics. Cause currently that average 9.7s of stare-time even though it has good damage output, that is stupid. And then we get to the 10-second jam-duration, why we are forced to get the most of our stare-times.

[C4NC3R]

The6thMessenger, on 26 July 2017 - 02:37 PM, said:

I prefer rework, fundamental change of mechanics. Cause currently that average 9.7s of stare-time even though it has good damage output, that is stupid. And then we get to the 10-second jam-duration, why we are forced to get the most of our stare-times.

I don't have such a problem cause I use that build: - WHM-6R

[The6thMessenger]

C4NC3R, on 26 July 2017 - 02:43 PM, said:

I don't have such a problem cause I use that build: - WHM-6R

Lots of people do bring backup lasers, and use RAC5s on mechs that could face-tank.

Does not change the fact that you need to stare down at an idiotic amount of time to do good damage, and make the most of your gauge. Which is just bad.

[C4NC3R]

The6thMessenger, on 26 July 2017 - 02:50 PM, said:

Lots of people do bring backup lasers, and use RAC5s on mechs that could face-tank.

Does not change the fact that you need to stare down at an idiotic amount of time to do good damage, and make the most of your gauge. Which is just bad.

Agree, but.... when I "stare down" into victim I actually going for a kill. Some times I don't succeed, but mostly I have enough time to load into poor being a tons of damage having his/her leg, arm, ST and CT if the victim get stunned by the fireworks happening on his/her screen.

Edited by C4NC3R, 26 July 2017 - 04:23 PM.

[The6thMessenger]

C4NC3R, on 26 July 2017 - 04:22 PM, said:

Agree, but.... when I "stare down" into victim I actually going for a kill. Some times I don't succeed, but mostly I have enough time to load into poor being a tons of damage having his/her leg, arm, ST and CT if the victim get stunned by the fireworks happening on his/her screen.

So does LRMs.

So far that would only work on a 1v1, Or maybe even 4v4. But when there's other people around there, when you're pummeling someone else, another may pummel you. And all that stare just gives them all the time in the world to hurt you where it matters.

[Trenchbird]

Fluffinator, on 26 July 2017 - 02:03 PM, said:

I think you meant Rotary needs a buff so there is any reason to use one out of Tier 5.
As soon as you are grouped with people who don't stand still 99% of the time you will find that Rotary is near useless.

I would call BS, but I'd say it's more situationally effective than being used solely on targets standing still. I've been running twin RACs on a Uziel (Inspired by that Wolf's Dragoons Mechwarrior in one of the gamebooks), and it's been pretty effective when it comes to confusing and or staggering an opponent who has made a movement mistake, or is not otherwise focused on me.

It's a potent support weapon, but trying to use it on hard and pristine targets is asking for a scrapping, and it's most effective on more agile mechs, which tend to be smaller and less of a priority than the big scary Annie with quad AC/10s. It can be used pretty well for punishing people who get tunnel vision when facing a single tough foe, or in a push, where it can sufficiently distract snipers and other hard targets from doing the job of shooting your buddies by looking at where all the dakka's coming from.

[C4NC3R]

The6thMessenger, on 26 July 2017 - 04:25 PM, said:

So does LRMs.

So far that would only work on a 1v1, Or maybe even 4v4. But when there's other people around there, when you're pummeling someone else, another may pummel you. And all that stare just gives them all the time in the world to hurt you where it matters.

LURMs are safer, they are just living embodiment of an Health and Safety comparing to RACs. But RACs in common state are fun. Let em be the way they are.

[The6thMessenger]

C4NC3R, on 26 July 2017 - 04:36 PM, said:

LURMs are safer, they are just living embodiment of an Health and Safety comparing to RACs. But RACs in common state are fun.

Fun, yes. But what we are trying to do is actually get them to be a lot more useful.

C4NC3R, on 26 July 2017 - 04:36 PM, said:

Let em be the way they are.

Or you know, we can actually improve the weapon system to actually be useful to a wider band of people. Not just people stupid enough to be frequently out of position.

[MustrumRidcully]

Mole, on 26 July 2017 - 01:35 PM, said:

Why is it that they can't make a rotary cannon in the 31st century that doesn't jam when we have all kinds of rotary cannons that don't jam in the 21st?

Lostech. As usual.

[C4NC3R]

The6thMessenger, on 26 July 2017 - 05:25 PM, said:

Fun, yes. But what we are trying to do is actually get them to be a lot more useful.



Or you know, we can actually improve the weapon system to actually be useful to a wider band of people. Not just people stupid enough to be frequently out of position.

Your efforts are good but you rorget that: - Better is the worstest enemy of the good.

RAC's are good, live em alone

[The6thMessenger]

C4NC3R, on 27 July 2017 - 03:13 AM, said:

Your efforts are good but you forget that: - Better is the worstest enemy of the good.

RAC's are good, live em alone

What? You think quoting a 16th century poet would prove you right? I mean really, what does an 16th century poet know about maintaining an online game?

Also there is no "worstest" nor "worst" on that quote. If you're gonna try to be poetic and act high and mighty because you know a lot of quotes, the least you could do is spell right, and use right grammar, act like a perfect person you're professing to be. Where's your period that finishes your last sentence? Why is there a hyphen before the quote? And why isn't the quote enclosed in quotation marks?

Since were quoting people, here's one: "That which is asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence" Christopher Hitchens

No, the RACs aren't good. Lots of testimony against it, from more experienced players even. Numbers are against it too.

They are as bad as LRMs are, because they rely more on targets being bad or making mistakes, than users being actually good.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 27 July 2017 - 01:54 PM.

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Mole, on 26 July 2017 - 01:35 PM, said:

Why is it that they can't make a rotary cannon in the 31st century that doesn't jam when we have all kinds of rotary cannons that don't jam in the 21st?

Well im more amazed that someone thought humanoid is good idea for combat machine and it somehow weighs only as much as ww2 heavy tank...

[0bsidion]

The6thMessenger, on 27 July 2017 - 04:01 AM, said:

No, the RACs aren't good. Lots of testimony against it, from more experienced players even. Numbers are against it too.

They are as bad as LRMs are, because they rely more on targets being bad or making mistakes, than users being actually good.

Exactly. They are intimidating like LRMs can be, but their bark is worse than their bite. I've tried multiple builds with RACs, and yeah, you can occasionally get lucky and kill someone with them, but in terms of deadliness, I've had more luck with dual LGRs than dual RAC5s. A lot more luck, because PPFLD always trumps dps weapons when you can target specific components to kill mechs faster. Oh, and they don't jam or overheat your mech.

[Nema Nabojiv]

0bsidion, on 27 July 2017 - 07:33 AM, said:

Exactly. They are intimidating like LRMs can be, but their bark is worse than their bite. I've tried multiple builds with RACs, and yeah, you can occasionally get lucky and kill someone with them, but in terms of deadliness, I've had more luck with dual LGRs than dual RAC5s.

That's because they're not dps weapons. They are suppression weapon which can blind one target completely as your team pushes and they damn too good at it.

I honestly dont care what happens with them in terms of increasing damage or changing other stats but explosions have to be toned down.

[0bsidion]

Nema Nabojiv, on 27 July 2017 - 08:29 AM, said:

That's because they're not dps weapons. They are suppression weapon which can blind one target completely as your team pushes and they damn too good at it.

I honestly dont care what happens with them in terms of increasing damage or changing other stats but explosions have to be toned down.

Technically being suppression and dps aren't mutually exclusive, but yes, I hadn't considered it from the perspective of face explosions, which PGI tends to get carried away with even though they don't even always make sense, (e.g. you aren't receiving a head shot).

This is also an issue on some mechs like the Cicada when you mount MGs in the side torso, the weapon flare from your own mgs completely obscures your view. The work around for this is to reduce the particle setting in graphics settings. Though I agree, PGI should address this particular issue.

[Hal Greaves]

RAC's suffer from Streak-SRM syndrome

They are good against bad players and bad against good players.