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[Battlemaster56]

At this point so many outliers the clans have that been beating and then violated over the years I just say bring it in, and let's get it over with because it's nearly impossible to not bring a outlier from the clan's mech lineup, unless PGI decides to add literly the worst outliers in the clan line up (e.g Howler who want a limited mech the locust is not even that restricted in hardpoints and location).

If PGI decides to do what they did during the High time of the KDK 3 and UAC's or NGR, MADIIC with Guass PPC and nerf the weapons directly rather than the mechs itself then so be it, I just move on.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Jun Watarase, on 03 August 2017 - 07:55 PM, said:

Needs more standard battlemechs as well, a 60 ton standard battlemech would fill in the gap nicely for example.

Might I interest you in the Hellfire or Glass Spider ?

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Hellfire

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Glass Spider

[Requiemking]

Jay Leon Hart, on 04 August 2017 - 10:04 AM, said:

Might I interest you in the Hellfire or Glass Spider ?

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Hellfire

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Glass Spider

There is also the Predator and the Thresher.

Edited by Requiemking, 04 August 2017 - 01:17 PM.

[QuantumButler]

How about a mech someone might actually care about instead, like the Black Lanner.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Requiemking, on 04 August 2017 - 01:16 PM, said:

There is also the Predator and the Thresher.

I only like the Thresher because it was the gateway to the Thor, though it does appear to have decent mounts.

the Predator reminds me of the Canis, it looks like a younger sibling. They share similar torso Ballistics and the same number of Energy weapons.

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Canis (3058)

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Predator (3060)

Edited by Jay Leon Hart, 04 August 2017 - 01:26 PM.

[Requiemking]

Battlemaster56, on 04 August 2017 - 07:44 AM, said:

At this point so many outliers the clans have that been beating and then violated over the years I just say bring it in, and let's get it over with because it's nearly impossible to not bring a outlier from the clan's mech lineup, unless PGI decides to add literly the worst outliers in the clan line up (e.g Howler who want a limited mech the locust is not even that restricted in hardpoints and location).

If PGI decides to do what they did during the High time of the KDK 3 and UAC's or NGR, MADIIC with Guass PPC and nerf the weapons directly rather than the mechs itself then so be it, I just move on.

You know, Howler isn't exactly the worst mech the Clans could get. It's cheap, it wouldn't get screwed over by volumetric scaling, and it could get some really nice Piranhatech variants(lets face it, there is no Clan 20 tonner in the lore that wouldn't get at least 3 made up variants, 4 if you count the Hero).

[Coolant]

Battle Armor are 20 tons

[FupDup]

QuantumButler, on 04 August 2017 - 01:17 PM, said:

How about a mech someone might actually care about instead, like the Black Lanner.

People would care about it until they actually took it for a spin in-game. Then suddenly they'd stop liking it so much.

I call it the Uziel effect.

[Jay Leon Hart]

FupDup, on 04 August 2017 - 01:50 PM, said:

I call it the Uziel effect.

It hurts so much

[Valdarion Silarius]

Jay Leon Hart, on 04 August 2017 - 10:04 AM, said:

Might I interest you in the Hellfire or Glass Spider ?

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Hellfire

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Glass Spider

Glass Spider might give PGI more harassment since it's going to share feats like the Rifleman IIC, and I guarantee HG will find a way to make some kind of off the wall comparison to it with the Destroit Defender somehow, even though the Glass Spider is not an unseen. The last thing I want to hear from people in the future saying "Oh we don't need the Rifleman IIC now since we have the Glass Spider".

Ironically, I see alot of vague similarities between the Hellfire and the Stone Rhino. The more I think about it, maybe these two mechs might be bait for HG and could be used as more ammo for PGI's lawyers. As long as we get the unseens down the road I'll be fine with either personally.

Edited by Arnold The Governator, 04 August 2017 - 02:55 PM.

[J0anna]

I would love to have the Piranha in game, but lets face it. They would give it the turning ability of a Dire Wolf and the acceleration too. Probably put negative armor quirks on it for 'balance'. Most likely we'll get a slow 20 ton mech like the Howler or the Snow Fox (first quad).

[SOL Ranger]

Piranha, let the good times roll.

[topgun505]

And the game engine .... IMPLODES.

Ngamok, on 03 August 2017 - 05:07 PM, said:

http://www.sarna.net...re_Moth_(Dasher)

MASC capable to 216 lol

[Battlemaster56]

Requiemking, on 04 August 2017 - 01:33 PM, said:

You know, Howler isn't exactly the worst mech the Clans could get. It's cheap, it wouldn't get screwed over by volumetric scaling, and it could get some really nice Piranhatech variants(lets face it, there is no Clan 20 tonner in the lore that wouldn't get at least 3 made up variants, 4 if you count the Hero).

Well they can add A,B,C made up variants it clearly invalidates the 3 Canon ones and will be out right better. I don't mind A,B,C variants unless it based off of variants with unavailable tech or equipment for the time being but making such out of scratch that have the potential to be outright superior is a big no in my book.

And yes you right it won't be screwed over by thoses things it still gonna have a huge ST on it having a serious case of MDD syndrome.



And anyone that is confident shooting stuff, will be enjoying the free kills. And it's asking for Vindi level of quirks to make it functional on the field.

[Thorn Hallis]

May I ask why noone has mentioned the Hellion yet?

Edited by Thorn Hallis, 04 August 2017 - 10:19 PM.

[FupDup]

Thorn Hallis, on 04 August 2017 - 10:19 PM, said:

May I ask why noone has mentioned the Hellion yet?

People always forget that guy.



It's an okay gundam I guess. Not much inspiring about it, but no red flags either.

Edited by FupDup, 04 August 2017 - 10:37 PM.

[Lord0fHats]

Whoever said the Nova was junk better take it back! Thems fighting words

At the moment I think clans have a few major glaring holes. A 20 tonner isn't a necessity imo. A 25 tonner that's better than the Mist Lynx would work. The bigger issue is no good fast mediums. The Ferret is okay, but not great. The Viper suffers from weight and heat issues as much as I love it, and the Storm Crow is a walking bullet magnet and hard to fit in drop decks these days. And don't even try to mention the Black Lanner. A fifty five tonner with the weaponry of a light mech isn't going to fix anything no matter how many packs it inevitably sells. The Artic Wolf may be coming but the Omni variants are slow for 40 tons, and the only one of the Battlemech variants is actually shaping up nicely.

The second issue I think is a lack of light weight weapons that aren't lasers. The IS has a nice round about staple of weapons now with light gauss and PPC being useful for a number of mechs. Heavy Lasers that aren't smalls just suck, and I don't even know what to say about ATMs. Medium and Light heavy lasers need some fixing cause the heat, cooldown, and burn time is way too high for them to ever be useful especially which how short their ranges are (such changes would certainly necessitate a damage nerf though). I mean hell the ER large is still barely serviceable. How is introducing weapons with even longer burns worth it? Microlasers are just too short ranged for most mechs and imo inferior to ER Smalls, or Heavy smalls.

I actually don't mind the Summoner as it is, and rather enjoy it. There is sadly no getting around the fact that it's just worse at everything than the Timber and Hellbringer because of a dirth of hard points and usable weight.

As for lights, the Fire Falcon might be boring but it wouldn't be bad and its got variety on its side as far as layouts go.

Edited by Lord0fHats, 04 August 2017 - 10:55 PM.

[FupDup]

Lord0fHats, on 04 August 2017 - 10:32 PM, said:

I actually don't mind the Summoner as it is, and rather enjoy it. There is sadly no getting around the fact that it's just worse at everything than the Timber and Hellbringer because of a dirth of hard points and usable weight.

The Thor is better at SRMs and ERPPCs than any other Clan heavy. Or most heavies in general really.

[Lord0fHats]

I think it runs SRMs worse than the Maddog. When you load up SRMs to me, you're going to be waiting to clean house on a team that can't really handle the sheer damage, and the Maddog does that better than the Summoner by mounting an extra missile hard point. Durability is irrelevant and honestly I don't find my summoner that much more durable than Maddogs either.

I totally agree on PPCs though. The Summoner is a great PPC boat, especially now that it can mount two PPCs in its torsos. I love it. Sadly I think the Timber is still better at it! It's rarely deployed in the role as a matter of course but the Timber can mount almost as many JJs as the Summoner, just as many high mounted PPCs, and is over rall tankier and cooler. Most importantly the Timber has the valid choice of bring back up weapons without really losing anything.

Edited by Lord0fHats, 04 August 2017 - 10:57 PM.

[Battlemaster56]

FupDup, on 04 August 2017 - 10:28 PM, said:

People always forget that guy.



It's an okay gundam I guess. Not much inspiring about it, but no red flags either.

Well the mech itself can easily replace the Cougar Adder and Kit Fox in the mini heavy role and it's faster by default and masc help it re-position itself easily in a fight. And it have good highmount HP's on the left and right torso's.